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    Default C5 Automatic Problem

    I know that this subject has been discussed before however I will seek your indulgence and broach the subject again.My C5 is a 2004 gfi automatic.The problem- randomly but increasingly more frequently there will be a automatic gear fail warning and a service light and the car goes into limp home mode.If the car is turned off and restarted the problem clears.I think the fault occurs on climbing a hill(mostly but not always) Any suggestions to find the cause would be appreciated. Btw car has 150000 mms on clock.
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    Hi do you mean your car is really underpowered or does it just have to be pushed along as though somebody slipped a 1.4l engine in it ? My 07 diesel has done this twice in the past month but I didn't get a transmission message (or any at all). Brisbane Citroen told me to bring it in and they would hook it up to their computer and see if the car's computer has saved any fault messages it might have received; said they do save information. Also mentioned fuel.... I filled with BP and have reduced my usage from 11 /100 to 9.8 city driving! Touch wood the cars has run perfectly since I re-fuelled, but admitedly it did before this sluggish thing happened, which both times was coincidently when I started off from the lights at the bottom of a little hill.

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    Probably down to the pressure regulation electrovalves failing - one for line pressure (most likely), the other for the converter lockup. There are other possible culprits, but take it to a dealer or workshop that knows how to deal with the AL4 gearbox. It's also known as a DPO in the Renault world. If you keep driving it as is, you risk buring the friction plates and needing a gearbox rebuild. The electrovalve repair may cost up to $1K (half a day's labour required), but a gearbox rebuild is typically about $5K+, depending on the repairer and work done.

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    Hi there I replaced my gearbox solenoids and re-flashed the computer at 150,000 k,s cost $550

    Did nothing just wasted $550 gearbox was still playing up so

    I bit the bullet bought one from A&B in Dandenong only ting they only supply the trade

    I had it shipped to my transmission specialist here on the gold coast total cost 5 grand including fitting AL4 from A&B $4500 $500 specilist install here on the Coast

    Guess what the gearbox had a problem again

    This time A&B gave a 2 year warranty they shipped me another same day

    1 week later and $500 dollars the specialist swapped transmissions again

    It has been perfect well it is as perfect as an AL4 gearbox can be

    Maybe not perfect just french the car has done 50,000k,s since all these AL4 problems

    I will get it serviced at A&B when I am on holidays in Melbourne again

    I dont think transmission oil is suposed to last forever from all the experience I have had with this gearbox if you like the car get a new transmisson if not pass it on

    I must admit they do grow on you after a while fantastic touring car just poor build quality and expensive parts

    I get all my parts direct from England quicker than ordering them here and paying ridiculous prices

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    Default C5 Automatic Problem

    Sounds like you need a new one my one died at that kilometer reading had another under warranty at 180,000 k,s and looks like I need another warranty claim at 200,000 k,s oh that has all happened in a 18 month period lucky i still have some warranty left as anotrher 5 grand is out of the question ill have to take it to the tip as no one will buy it with a stuffed transmisson

    Needless to say I am selling the car and not to any family or friends after basically rebuilding the car when it was a log booked serviced elderly owned car

    it is brilliant car but they should have got it made in Korea it would have been more reliable

    I even think maybe a made in china model would be more reliable

    So its on the lookout for a new car maybe a Peugeot but I will be checking if it has a 6 speed aisin warner transmission first

    I think all the AL$ owners of the world should unite and send them back to where they came from preferably to the CEO that ordered them his front yard would be perfect

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    It has been said many times before on this forum, and I am the worst culprit.

    YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE GEARBOX OIL REGULARLY.

    A bit late if the gearbox is playing up, but if it were mine I would take it to someone who knows the AL4 ASAP, get them to hook up the computer and from the error codes replace the worn components (probably the two solenoids). Then run the car on an intensive transmission oil change regimen, say every 1,000km for 10,000km.

    If you are lucky this may work, you have nothing to loose except the cost of the oil, and there are instructions on how to do it yourself on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg C View Post
    It has been said many times before on this forum, and I am the worst culprit.

    YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE GEARBOX OIL REGULARLY.

    A bit late if the gearbox is playing up, but if it were mine I would take it to someone who knows the AL4 ASAP, get them to hook up the computer and from the error codes replace the worn components (probably the two solenoids). Then run the car on an intensive transmission oil change regimen, say every 1,000km for 10,000km.

    If you are lucky this may work, you have nothing to loose except the cost of the oil, and there are instructions on how to do it yourself on this forum.

    Greg
    Hey Greg, it might be a good idea to mention here that the actual transmission oil used is also vitally important. Which ones should NOT be used as well could be handy.
    Cheers....George 1/8th

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    Default AL4 oil

    I would go for :

    Renaultmatic D3 SYN
    Description:
    Renaultmatic D3 SYN

    Specifications:
    Automatic transmissions of type DPO installed in certain RENAULT lightweight vehicles.

    You can get it from here:
    http://www.onshoreoils.com.au/automa...ox.php?catid=4
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    Thanks George, I always use the stuff from the dealer, while it might be possible to use another fully synthetic ATF I just go to Continentals and buy 4 litres of the oil they have on the shelf for the AL4 gearbox.

    Never put any other ATF like DIII or DII in an AL4

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    Is the electovalve repair a DIY job? I've been told if you get sufficient clearance under the car, and remove the plate, covering the valves - you have a decent prospect of doing it yourself?

    My only concern would be a transmission reset/software update - if you end up using the newer valve blocks - as they can be purchased at a reasonable price through the interwebs?

    Care to elaborate anyone?
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