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    Icon8 Beware certain non-genuine spheres...

    I recently needed some new spheres for my Xantia. Now, why I chose new spheres over the regassing option is a bit of a story.

    In short, the front spheres I purchased from an unnamed Citroen dealer were non-genuine (odd, but not in itself a major issue I thought...). They were supposed to be the multi-membrane 50 Bar type. However, unlike the genuine Citroen spheres they had lost about 160 psi after 12 months (still within operating range), and in the last 3 months lost another 140 psi.

    By way of note, the rear spheres fitted earlier by the dealer (seemingly the same brand on the basis of their stampings), lost about 35 psi over the same 3 month period.

    This rate of pressure loss - especially that incurred by the front spheres - was pretty pitiful, given that I have a spare front sphere which lived on the Xantia for the first 11 years and is still at 775 psi (over 50 Bar). It goes without saying that this sphere has once again been pressed into service...

    By the way, I'll add a photo of the spheres - that way people might be able to identify the brand (they were provided to me in an unmarked box).

    Given this circus, I thought I'd ditch these dodgy spheres and get proper genuine Citroen versions.

    So, I purchased some a new front multi-membrane Citroen sphere, two rear spheres and an anti-sink sphere. Now the front sphere is the usual green, whilst all rear spheres are grey (and no they ain't LDS spheres). Is nothing sacred?


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    There is no such thing as "Citroen spheres". They would just buy from the cheapest manufacturer. Having said that, I put new sphere on my Xantia not long before it was sold, they were apparanently dead flat and stuffed soon after I sold it (that's less than 2years old). the spheres on my CX desperately need a re-charge ................... However they are 8 years old without regassing and still have gas in them!

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    I got a new front hydractive sphere from Auto France. It was packed in genuine Citroen packaging and it was painted grey. I think grey is the new green with Citroen, probably to distinguish them from dodgy politicians from the Greens party or indeed Gaddafi.

    I also missed the CCC Tech Day yesterday. I was hoping to test my front spheres as they had never been regassed and came with the car. I did check them last year and at 45 bar I didn't worry about regassing them. All the other 6 VSX spheres were new, bought from Auto France. Can't vouch for their manufacture, but they looked the part and I hope that whoever went to that much trouble would have used decent membranes.

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    Citroen provided LHM spheres changed to grey towards the end of Xantia production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    Citroen provided LHM spheres changed to grey towards the end of Xantia production.
    I wonder why?
    are other LHM parts for XM, Xantia (pre LDS) now grey too, or are they just using the remaining NOS that were made green?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mort Subite View Post
    I wonder why?
    are other LHM parts for XM, Xantia (pre LDS) now grey too, or are they just using the remaining NOS that were made green?

    I think they chose grey because....






    wait for it..........



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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    ...It's not that easy being green; / Having to spend each day the color of the leaves.
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    Default Problematic spheres and their replacements...

    There is no such thing as "Citroen spheres".
    Well to be honest I can't confirm or refute that statement Shane, but what I can say is that the problematic spheres I was supplied with earlier certainly didn't feature a Chevron indent stamped on the sphere body.

    The first photo shows - from left to right - one of the new "grey" spheres, and two of the problem children. The latter are distinguished by a circle stamp, withe some other markings in the circle. Anyone have any idea what brand they are?



    The second photo is of the replacement front sphere:



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    Oh Harrumph!

    How do I get the images to display?

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    The last accumulator sphere I bought for the 406, was grey. Although, it ended up being fitted to a Xantia.
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    Boyle's Law doesn't apply to gas iinside grey containers.
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    Boyle's Law doesn't apply to gas iinside grey containers.


    Grey spheres forever then...

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    I got a grey sphere as the new accumulator for the Prestige. It is now banished to the front brake accumulator and is acquiring the nice blackish brown colour everything does down there so you can't see it. The fact that it holds pressure better than any other is a bonus in that position

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    Boyle's Law doesn't apply to gas iinside grey containers.
    Yes, the gas will be far less excited given such drab surroundings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Yes, the gas will be far less excited given such drab surroundings.
    One would hope nitrogen doesn't get too excited.
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    The trick is to blow compressed nitrogen on the OUTSIDE of the grey sphere when you regas them (as well as pumping it inside the sphere, of course). Nitrogenous fertilisers turn the grass green, so it should have a similar effect on the spheres.

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    There is a risk that they might turn blue with the cold.
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    I would suspect Shane is right as to the suppliers of spheres. I have very little to add apart from a couple of customers who are using two spheres (in Cit original matt green) that have three dimples around the refilling valve that have not lost any pressure when compared to the other non-dimpled spheres on the same two vehicles over a four year period.

    Both on BX's, and appear to be a superior product to the others fitted to these two cars.

    Any identification as to the brand, please,

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    I don't know if this helps, but my experience to date has been that if the sphere has a chevron stamp on it (in other words it is marketed as a citroen genuine part) it will tend to last.

    Re front spheres - if the sphere has a chevron stamped on the body, comes in a citroen box, and has a sticker on the box saying that it is a multicouche (multi-membrane) sphere, it will hold the requisite pressure for many years.

    Hope this helps...

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    Dimples on the sphere top indicate a dual layer diaphragm.

    Either that or they are feeling the cold !

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    If I had to get a new set of spheres these days ................ Ebay is your friend.

    $21.00aud each for brand newies.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suspension-Sph...item20b7df50d6

    Even with postage, surely you'll come off ok. Even cheaper than re-gassing at a lot of places in Australia.

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    I don't know. I'm confused by all this speculation. I guess its a bit of a Grey Area--- There, someone had to say it!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    If I had to get a new set of spheres these days ................ Ebay is your friend.

    $21.00aud each for brand newies.

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Suspension-Sph...item20b7df50d6

    Even with postage, surely you'll come off ok. Even cheaper than re-gassing at a lot of places in Australia.

    seeya,
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    Its a ripper and it may even be packaged in a brown paper bag!

    Best part is it suits a Xantia - front, rear, anti-sink, accumulator, hydractive front, hydractive rear.

    A sphere for all seasons, no less.

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