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    Does anyone know a good Citroen mechanic around Melbourne area to change the C6 and C3 timing belts? It seems that Cars of France has merge with the new shop and the new shop service aren't so good. I really appreciate it. tnx

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    I would think very few mechanics and only a few dealers would have had the need to change a C6 timing belt so far. If you don't want to use a dealer, you may want to look to a Pug/Jag/Range Rover mechanic servicing cars using essentially the same engine for longer. It will require a few special tools to peg and set the timing correctly and it's going to be the best part of a day's labour wherever you take it. A dealer may prove to be the best option for the C6.

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    If the cars out of warranty I'd be doing it myself. You would have as much experiance of changing C6 timing belts as 99.9999999999999999999999999% of mechanics in Australia. I'm sure most citroen dealers and specialists have never done the job either. The timing belt "kit" is about 200quid delivered to your door (yeah, expensive assuming your car is the petrol model ),

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-C5-C6-...item3a41f1a0b5

    The timing kit (make sure you get the C6 one ?) is about 80quid delivered ....

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CITROEN-and-PE...item4153c125b5

    Use it once and it's paid for itself. Infact you could advertise your services to change other C6 owners timing belts in australia .... As you now have more experiance than nearly anyone else in Australia

    Failing that..... Take a holiday to Sydney and book it in at Continentals, that's the only place I could even imagine has done one before.

    Jump on the andyspares board and see what the POMs think. It's likely C6's are almost "bangers" over there that people are now working on themselves.

    Woudn't your local Kmart service shop be plenty adequate enough for a C3

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    Quote Originally Posted by froglegs View Post
    Does anyone know a good Citroen mechanic around Melbourne area to change the C6 and C3 timing belts? It seems that Cars of France has merge with the new shop and the new shop service aren't so good. I really appreciate it. tnx

    Ouch, does this mean that I need a new mechanic too (and not for a C6 but for a much humbler Xsara!)?
    I thought Nick and his mechanics from Cars of France were supposed to work in the new shop. Isn't that the case?


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    Thanks for the advice. Atm I'm thinking of taking it to Zagame Citroen dealer to have it done for both cars. Their price are a little steep. In regard to DYI timing belt change, I think the C6 is too much for me to handle. There are too many sensors in the car and I just don't want to break any of them. They are very expensive to replace.
    BTW my car is a C6 2.7 HDi - a diesel engine.

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    There would only be a few petrol C6's here. Two arrived as show cars in 2005/06 and I know of one other. There could be a few more, but they are almost all 2.7 HDi's with a few of the current 3.0 HDi's now trickling in.

    If you had the tools, adequate instructions and mechanical ability, it could be a DIY proposition. I don't think there are a large number of sensors in that area, but you would need to find a way to safely support the engine as you would need to remove the right engine support bracket. That would also be true for the C3. You'd just need to be sure of what you are doing and that you can get it right to avoid an engine disaster. It may even be worth your asking a dealer to show you the instructions or to subscribe (briefly, assuming it is still possible to do so) to Citroen's parts and service website to obtain the instructions. See http://service.citroen.com, which is a cut down version of what dealers use.
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    I wouldnt be taking my C3 to KMart under any circumstances.

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    Isn't the C6 3l petrol engine the same as in the C5? If yes then a number of them would likely have been changed by now.
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    Yes, the petrol engined C6 used the same 3.0litre V6 engine as the C5. The one in question is a 2.7 HDi. There would be few C6 HDi's old enough and/or with enough km's to warrant a timing belt change at the moment. Similarly, very few 2.7 HDi C5's (same engine) would have enough km's to warrant a belt change so far.

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    I did the first T belt on these V6 Diesels in 07,it had a cam seal leaking from its external dia-bad machining,it got uglier as Land Rover had packed the wrong seal under its part number worldwide,had to get off Peugeot.Yes there are a few tools involved.The belt change interval is 120000km,have you done that much?You have to replace the second belt that drives Fuel pump on back of engine-left bank it runs off exhaust cam.
    Last year there was a recall by Siemens on the fuel pump,due to sus case hardening on pinion bearing,so replaced heaps of pumps,a b### of a job on LR set up.

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    That's good info Salman. Thanks very much.

    Last time I visited the local Peugeot/Citroen/Alfa dealership for an oil filter I noticed that they still had a large placard with timing belt replacement info. All Peugeot HDi engines had a 160,000/9 year interval. Some older types had a shorter interval. On some UK car leasing sites they give all the servicing details for cars. Some of them quote 120,000 miles and 10 years for the V6 HDi!

    The handbook for my car states 80,000 k/4 years but it simply states V6 (not V6 HDi). All the other HDi engines had the same 80,000 k/4 years. Do Citroen specify inferior quality belts for their cars? Who knows; they are french after all. You would think that the low engine speeds that diesels typically run at would tend to extend drive belt life.

    Very confusing I must say. In the meantime I'll cross my fingers and hope I don't receive a recall notice for the injection pump. On second thoughts, maybe it'd be better to get it while the car's under warranty.
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    The French must be much more gentle drivers because my C5 manual said 160K for the timing belt on the hdi.
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    To the above posts - PSA sets lower km/year timing belt intervals as they class Australia as a harsh climate, its on ServiceBox when you plug in your VIN number!
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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED View Post
    To the above posts - PSA sets lower km/year timing belt intervals as they class Australia as a harsh climate, its on ServiceBox when you plug in your VIN number!
    Peugeot Australia set an interval of 180,000km or 9 years for all V6 petrol or diesel engines, starting with the 407. The 406 V6 remained on 120k/6yrs.

    Perhaps CitroŽn, recognising that its owners regularly drive at high speed over speedhumps, realise that mechanical sympathy is not a common CitroŽn owner's strong point and have set a lower limit?
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    Hi Salman thanks for the info. Dealer said 100k for my 2.7HDI timing belt change. No I haven't done 120k yet. Just close to 90k. But I heard from a few people that it's better to change early incase it break because I use it for city driving.

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    Thanks for the advice David. I might do the timing belt change for the C3 but not the C6. Citroen dealer recommend timing belt change for the C6 @100k/5yrs and 200k/5yrs for hydraulic suspension.
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    The belts Ive replaced at 120000km on Discovery/Range Rover were still looking beefy,they are thicker and wider than 'normal' belts.The Land Rovers weigh in at 2.7 Tons.
    I remember when in the 90's I was service manager at BMW in a 'hot climate zone' and M40 engines in 3/5 Series snapped belts as low as 50,000km,on raising the alarm,the bright men in Munich said we should replace at 60,000km-down from original-80,000km.
    I reckon your 100kkm idea is good,safe than sorry.When you get it done just ask for your old belt back for 'two' reasons,and one will be just to see its build/condition.Dont forget the fuel pump belt/tensioner-it comes as a separate pack.
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    Salman

    Thanks again for very informative comment. Are you able to tell us what the owners were charged for the job?

    Those belt issues with BMWs may have influenced them to revert to chain drive not long after that. Mercedes also had a flirtation with belts in the '80s and '90s but they too are now chain cam drive. Can anyone drive a new BMW or Merc and tell me that chain noise is an issue?

    I note that Audi's new 5 cylinder engine uses a chain as do the new Toyota and Lexus 6 cyl. engines. Maybe they also are getting the message that fewer customers are happy having to pay outrageous dealer charges to change a belt just a very few years down the road. All car makers need to get the same message. They choose belt drive because it's cheaper for them to make, pure and simple.
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    The recent Discovery 3 I did,started at 10am finished by 4.30pm, $120/hr,official guide says to remove starter and fit the palm sized flywheel teeth lock up tool after fitting a reference pin in the same location.I skipped that on last job as the place I was working never had the req tool,got it right though as had been there before.Its easier on your front drive set up,on LR set up theres barely space between rear fuel pump belt area and firewall/fluid pipes.The worst bit on them is this three legged breather,its behind the oil filter made of 'decompose-composite' and takes the dexterity of a surgeon and bush mechanic combined to get it out in one piece.
    At least that will be easy on frt drv set up.Also the water pump is NOT in side timing case,so one less drama.
    Main TB kit comes with all two rollers + tensioner+ belt in single packing,same for fuel pump Tensioner pre locked + Bolt + belt.
    The other thing get rid of the damn cable tie behind oil filter housing,its roped throgh the 3 legged breather,has absolutely no function[had an assembly tag on,which gets pulled off and this tie stays],any way it causes horror by having the thin tip jam in oil filter bowl,causing oil seep,one dealer had gone to the extent of replacing rear main to "fix" oil leak,which was NOT FIXED cos cable tie was still stuck in,while fitting gearbox back the idiot never set oil pump/coverter well,snapped gear box oil pump lugs and turned the whole thing into a Spanish inquisition!! Jaguar came out with a bulettin to cut cable tie off on first sight,I made it routine to cut off at PDi,but imagine thousands of cars running around with them.I have done bit of look around-this cable tie has been on EVERY Jag,LR,Pug Cit V6 D.
    Also have a look by separating vacuum pipe at mid joint to brake booster-any engine oil means trouble,had boosters with inch or more of oil,theres a valve/pipe kit to fix that,if too much has gone through,then new booster is must.They had some select Vin cars that were getting this rework,but its safe to check and being a safety issue,get it under warranty.
    Yeah,BMW wasnt able to make or 'get' a fan viscous coupling that made it past one summer,so they went to massive electric fan set up.Hey its funny when I go to wreckers I just check out the VC on old beated up Japanese cars/utes,man not a trace of silicone fluid seep and just as tight as new-thats quality!I dont work for LR or Cit anymore.

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    Apparently I don't have to change the timing belt so early. The dealer have inform me that I don't have to change the timing belt or its component for 10 years. The manufacturer recommended that it shouldn't be touch until it reach 160,000 miles (approx 257,000km). Thank you all for giving me very informative advices.

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    160,000 miles or 257,000 kilometres?

    You've got to be kidding me?

    If the dealer has given you that verbally, get it in writing....and signed....

    ....for when it goes 'pop', you're up for one very very expensive bill....

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    Yes I'd definitely be getting that in writing with a signature!
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    Maintenance : Citroen C6

    Timing belt replacement : for all engines types

    Normal conditions: every 240 000 km (160 000 miles) or every 10 years
    Severe conditions: every 180 000 km (108 000 miles) or every 10 years


    EDIT - For Australia: use the severe conditions interval only.



    I've worked out the timing belts are changed at the following intervals:

    Every 8th service visit for normal conditions
    30 000 km x 8 = 240 000 km
    20 000 mi. x 8 = 160 000 mi.

    Every 9th service visit for severe conditions
    20 000 km x 9 = 180 000 km
    12 000 mi. x 9 = 108 000 mi.

    Hence, the imperial intervals are not a direct numerical conversion from metric intervals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by froglegs View Post
    Does anyone know a good Citroen mechanic around Melbourne area to change the C6 and C3 timing belts?
    What year model is your C3 and which engine does it have?

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