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    Hey There,

    So I've come to the grim conclusion that my DS has dodgy electrics. Shocked as you may all to hear such a thing, I'm curious to know if anyone can recommend a good auto electrician to put my goddess right? I'm located in Sydney and are willing to travel for the right person. Please don't recommend that I do it myself. Me and electrics are not friends

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    There pretty straight forward. I suggest cleaning/replacing the fuses and earth points will fix the majority of your problems Especially intermittant fuses!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DStragic View Post
    Hey There,

    So I've come to the grim conclusion that my DS has dodgy electrics. Shocked as you may all to hear such a thing, I'm curious to know if anyone can recommend a good auto electrician to put my goddess right? I'm located in Sydney and are willing to travel for the right person. Please don't recommend that I do it myself. Me and electrics are not friends

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    NO DS owner will be shocked to hear your car has dodgy electrics!

    My 1969 is the worst as it has/had rubber covered wires which perish and meet other wire and love sparks fly! Your car has plastic covered wires.

    As much of a mess that most DS wiring systems look they are generally reliable. I find lots of cars have wires that once did something but now sit there as a "" what was this wire" type of wire.

    Is there a specific issue your car has?

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    Glad to hear that the electrical mess under the bonnet is not unusual!

    The car wont start. It doesn't even turn over. Complete silence
    I went through a series of checks:
    1. Fuses - ok
    2. lights - all work - headlights, indicators, dash (oil, battery etc) when key is turned on.
    3. Fuel pump - working. it does the momentary pump
    4. Gear selector (auto) in Park & Neutral. All fine. Wiggled it around to test if slightly off.

    I'm thinking it is either the electronic ignition or alternator. But could be a relay switch???

    As I'm not a mechanic it's all just speculation of course

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    Are you in the nrma???

    If so, get your moneys worth from them and get one of their road service guys to come out and have a look.

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    Good idea. I think I will

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    There's a wire that hangs off the side of the battery that came loose on my 21 when a new battery was installed, and this produced the same result.

    There are a swag of connections in this area. Give em all a twiddle. It cant hurt.

    What area are you in?
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    Bob at Glebe Auto Electrics does some work on my CXs....lovely old bloke. BTW he is in Balmain....go figure
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    Sounds like your car is a EFI auto.

    Hanging off the positive battery terminal is the starter solenoid (see attached) photos.

    It has a button underneath.

    Try having the car in neutral or park and with the ignition on, push the button.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DStragic View Post
    Good idea. I think I will
    It gets better, because when/if need to get it towed to a sparky, they pay the first (?) 10km or so. If the roadside guy fails, as is most likely the case these days, he will give you authority to book in a tow.
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    I have no time for the NRMA anymore and I have found out that their mission statement is a lie. They do not care.

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    OK, The lovely NRMA man came and identified that there is no signal getting to the starter motor. He got it started (hooray) by attaching a '+'lead from the battery to the starter motor solenoid. This will at least get me going to a workshop. Mcook, you were spot on regarding the engine type (EFI Auto) and the problem area. I've been ferreting around to find the button you described, but cant find it. Will have another look, when the engine cools down a bit.

    Thanks Stuart for the recommendation. I'm in Randwick, so Balmain could be handy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DStragic View Post
    I've been ferreting around to find the button you described, but cant find it. Will have another look, when the engine cools down a bit.


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    Steve, the button is on the underside of the positive battery terminal.

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    Is there a fuse in the soleniod circuit ?? If so *check the fuses*. It sounds like you have an external battery mounted soleniod. If this is the case ensure you have the battery frame well earthed or you will have the exact problem you are desribing. The soleniod earths through the battery frame .... which must also obviously be earthed for the soleniod to work.

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    My guess is the "which gear am I in" aknowledgment switch on the gearbox has a non connected wire. UFO will no doubt agree on that one!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DS View Post
    My guess is the "which gear am I in" aknowledgment switch on the gearbox has a non connected wire. UFO will no doubt agree on that one!
    I was about to say the same thing because I believe this is the car I fixed one Sunday arvo a few weeks ago.

    Steve, you have identified a way to start it. Get it to the tech day on Sunday and we will look at it again.

    REMEMBER THOUGH, make sure it is in PARK and park brake on when you tap that wire across.
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    This car had a new starter inhibitor switch installed about five years ago. I know this because I was the one who crawled all over the net and finally sourced the part for both it, my car and one other.

    So perhaps it's not the switch, but the wiring?
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    And I think we have a volunteer to diagnose and repair on Sunday! Woohoo!
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    Where is the owl emoticon??? Who who who???
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    Quote Originally Posted by DS View Post
    My guess is the "which gear am I in" aknowledgment switch on the gearbox has a non connected wire. UFO will no doubt agree on that one!
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    Here's a pic of the starter inhibitor:



    But I still think a dodgy connection near the +ve side of the battery could be the culprit.

    Even money, I think.
    Cheers,
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    Well, I thinks it's settled...I'll just have to come to the Tech Day! Look forward to seeing you there and thanks EVERYONE for all your suggestions, help, advice yaddah, yaddah, yaddah

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