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    Default Removing interior door trim on DS23

    Hey There,
    I'm wanting to remove all the interior door panels to take a look inside the doors and perhaps do a rust treatment. Or will I just be looking at the rust???

    Anyway, to the real question....any special tricks to removing them, and getting them back on?
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    You could join the CCC of NSW and come to our tech day in a couple of weeks time in Sydney. Lots of tricks to be learned from the knowledgable.

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    Leave them in place and remove the outer panels, it is much more of a challenge.
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    Gee's, your all such helpful people

    push the door trim back around the window winder handle.... and you should see a pin you can push out allowing the handle to come off. Then just put your fingers behind around the edges and ease all the clips out of the door. Don't be surprised if your tear some out of the back of the door trim if it's been wet at some point. It's been a few years since I've removed one, but I"m pretty sure it's that straight forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DStragic View Post
    Hey There,
    I'm wanting to remove all the interior door panels to take a look inside the doors and perhaps do a rust treatment. Or will I just be looking at the rust???

    Anyway, to the real question....any special tricks to removing them, and getting them back on?
    Thanks,
    DST

    PS - my first post!!
    ...hmm, not a very good welcome for a new member

    DoubleChevron pretty well covered it, only thing I'd add is that on the Pallas you have two sort of triangular clips front and back on each panel, these need to be carefully prised open they are if memory serves me right, alluminium and after 30+ years can break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    ...hmm, not a very good welcome for a new member

    DoubleChevron pretty well covered it, only thing I'd add is that on the Pallas you have two sort of triangular clips front and back on each panel, these need to be carefully prised open they are if memory serves me right, alluminium and after 30+ years can break.

    Welcome to Aussiefrogs, more comedy than Hey hey...

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    Actually, I think they're on the DS models, as my non Pallas DS23 has these little clips.

    Incidentally, I've seen they are available as a repro part if you do break them.
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    UFO's answer is the right one. This is a trivial task that can end up in a tiresome mess. Don't be tempted to pull on the panel to unseat the clips. Use the panel beater' tool like a Splade that lifts the panel around each clip. Once off, you will probably need some new clips, new plastic thimbles in the door and some skill in repairing crumbling cardboard. If checking for rust you should remove the window sills and check their clips as well. Now you need help from your friends, if things have not changed in Aus recently. The clips etc are not off the shelf items and so you need a mate who has a few left over from the ones he imported when he did a restoration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    UFO's answer is the right one. This is a trivial task that can end up in a tiresome mess. Don't be tempted to pull on the panel to unseat the clips. Use the panel beater' tool like a Splade that lifts the panel around each clip. Once off, you will probably need some new clips, new plastic thimbles in the door and some skill in repairing crumbling cardboard. If checking for rust you should remove the window sills and check their clips as well. Now you need help from your friends, if things have not changed in Aus recently. The clips etc are not off the shelf items and so you need a mate who has a few left over from the ones he imported when he did a restoration.
    Thanks Gerry, all good stuff and more appropriate advice to a 'new' member, I'm sure he'll get used to your 'quirky' humour

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    UFO's answer is the right one. This is a trivial task that can end up in a tiresome mess. Don't be tempted to pull on the panel to unseat the clips. Use the panel beater' tool like a Splade that lifts the panel around each clip. Once off, you will probably need some new clips, new plastic thimbles in the door and some skill in repairing crumbling cardboard. If checking for rust you should remove the window sills and check their clips as well. Now you need help from your friends, if things have not changed in Aus recently. The clips etc are not off the shelf items and so you need a mate who has a few left over from the ones he imported when he did a restoration.
    You can buy these tools. I haven't been too concerned in the past as the door panels are generally trash after 30years either way (from people pulling on them to get them off). You will also scratch the paint using tools if your not careful.

    If your going to use a tool, get the plastic ones

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/INSTA...motiveQ5fTools

    I should buy a set of my own someday

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    Hi DST

    welcome to the forum.. I've found it very useful.. members always ready with tips or advice. I Pulled the rear panel off one of my D Special doors.. I had to unscrew the arm rest as well as remove the window winder.. but it was very easy and it pulled off without a fight.. just worked my way around one clip at a time.

    Do you have a pic of your car you can share?

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    Thank you all for those that have provided me with some very good tips. To answer a few questions/comments:
    1. Thanks UFO (Craig), I am a member of CCC NSW. In fact I was the 'newbie' who had to introduce myself in the last meeting in front of a big crowd. I think I said it was a "baptism by fire". Much like the Aussie Frogs Forum )
    2. Thanks GreenBlood as 'Grand Master'. Your paternal comments are appreciated.
    3.Hi Matthew, no photos so far but will post some soon. I've followed your questions and the following answers have provided me with valuable info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood View Post
    Thanks Gerry, all good stuff and more appropriate advice to a 'new' member, I'm sure he'll get used to your 'quirky' humour

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    How can you accuse a Citroënist of being quirky?
    Sorry Gerry, I don't know what came over me, perhaps a L J K Setright moment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DStragic View Post
    Thank you all for those that have provided me with some very good tips. To answer a few questions/comments:
    1. Thanks UFO (Craig), I am a member of CCC NSW. In fact I was the 'newbie' who had to introduce myself in the last meeting in front of a big crowd. I think I said it was a "baptism by fire". Much like the Aussie Frogs Forum )

    Cheers
    DST (aka Steve)
    Ah! So you bought Paul Smith's car and you joined CCC - well done. I was the smart @rse in the back corner, but I have to do double time as Deb is at the front of the room.

    Well you know about the tech day and people like Darren and Martin and many other knowledgeable people will be there that day. Much to learn from the sages. A great day out.
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