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    Default C5 hdi comfort in need of front wheel alignment

    I s there any thing special in regard to a front wheel alignment with the 2010 C5 hdi, when I picked up the car NEW last september the steering wheel was just a bit off centre, the c5 has only done 4.5k, it appears to track ok on most roads but I guess that is no help re alignment, front tyres appear to be ok, does the rear end ever need to be aligned ?, I was told thet the C5 needs a front wheel adjustment evey service, and no I am not a gutter pig, any advice would be appreciated.

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    The only adjustment possible with the front alignment is for track [should be 3 mm toe OUT/ 1.5 mm on each side]. These things are sensitive to adjust because of the very course thread on the track rods, but done correctly [steering wheel centered whilst driving, no pull, no wandering at speed] it will stay good for as long as any other car. Recheck it when you rotate/ re-balance the tyres. The rear is not adjustable but should be checked [4.5 mm toe IN ] as an indication of anything mechanical wearing out prematurely. Had a few bad alignments done by reputable specialists who were not happy when I brought it back, so take the car for a test drive afterwards and if you're not H-A-P-P-Y make them do it again. They may get quite stroppy but, HEY, do the damn job properly first time round what. Cheers.
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    I have a 2005 HDI and I find it is fairly sensitive to worn tyres and uneven tyre pressures, even if the alignment has just been done.

    My tyres ares getting to teh end of their life and occasionally get slow punctures. When one or other tyre at the front or rear is down, it pulls strongly to one side.

    Make sure all tyres are at even pressures and not worn and then decide whether the alignment is OK or not.

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    The read out advises that all tyres are all ok, the gar does not wonder at speed, sit on 100k and its fine, its just that the steering wheel is off centre, Many thanks for the feed back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scarfjoin View Post
    The read out advises that all tyres are all ok, the gar does not wonder at speed, sit on 100k and its fine, its just that the steering wheel is off centre, Many thanks for the feed back.
    Do yourself a favor and don't rely on the dash reader, they're only a cheap gimmic and about as reliable and accurate as a pocket calculator from Cheap as Chips.

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    If the steering wheel is just a little off centre you have the following options

    1. Ignore it
    2. Get a mechanic to adjust it.
    3. Adjust it yourself.
    4. Go to a tyre specialist like Bob Jane or Bridgestone and get them to check the wheel alignment and adjust the steering wheel.
    5. Take it to the car dealer where it first came from. ( Note..this is the last option).


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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th View Post
    If the steering wheel is just a little off centre you have the following options

    1. Ignore it
    2. Get a mechanic to adjust it.
    3. Adjust it yourself.
    4. Go to a tyre specialist like Bob Jane or Bridgestone and get them to check the wheel alignment and adjust the steering wheel.
    5. Take it to the car dealer where it first came from. ( Note..this is the last option).


    Cheers...George 1/8th
    Wheel alignment is only as good as the fellow doing it. I used bobjane at Darra Bris, for years and couldn't be happier. The guy left and the last three wheelaligns have all had to be done again and they were still crap. Don't use 'em anymore. Got new tyres from Kmart [don't ask, they were a gift, what could I say] The alignment was bad, bad, bad, even after their roadtester charlie claimed it was fine. Twice. Took it back 8am and the mongrels made me wait all flamin' day, and it was still crap. Pulls to right, steering wheel is off center [the original reason I took it back] Boss charley went to great pains [in a loud voice] to assure me it was all set to factory specs now. Why wasn't it before.
    Their tyres were way overpriced, although I wasn't paying for them, they sprayed sticky goop all over my mags which took some getting off I'll tel you, they didn't change the valves, and I have serious reservations about the balance, no after sales service, no free readjust or balance, nothing, [ Here's yer tyres now p9388539 off.] The place was untidy, full of dull wits with a number stamped across their forehead and not a clue between them. And the way they were working, I would not have employed any one of them. You should have heard the crap they were trying to hand one poor woman who was querying her service bill. She'd been ripped off something shocking. My trade.

    The place ? Kmart Mt Ommanney Bris. DANGER, DON'T GO THERE.

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    My 2008 C5 tourer is about to hit 40000km and the front tyres are wearing very evenly. I don't think the alignment has ever been checked and I don't think it needs one.

    If the steering wheel is a bit off centre when driving straight ahead, it probably only means that the toe in/out adjusters are set a bit out. They probably need the same adjustment (number of turns or partial turns) on each side to centre the steering wheel. I wouldn't worry about it unless you need a bit more full lock on the side it sits when going straight ahead.

    As the car is under warranty, whey don't you get them to fix the steering wheel centre and check the front wheel alignment at the next service?

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    Hi all,
    I had a tyre fitter do a wheel alignment on my 2007 C5 about 2 years ago after fitting a new set of tyres. Since then I have gone through two sets of front tyres in about 20,000km and I'm looking at set number three. Tyre pressures are fine, I check them regularly, current set of tyres are dunlop LM703 which have gone bald on the outside front in under 8,000kms! Mostly used for city driving but 8,000km is ridiculous, I definitely have a problem.

    The original set that came on the car when new lasted nearly 20,000km.

    The tyre fitter that has put my last two sets on is the same tyre fitter that did the wheel alignment. He has checked the alignment since he originally did it and said that all was well. I contacted him today to organise another couple tyres and explained to him the problem again, he has no Idea. He also made a passing remark about Citroens which has made me lose all faith in him doing anything for me except tyre fitting, even that is questionable now.

    I live a stupidly busy life and don't get the time to deal with this properly so I wish ask members here if they could recommend an experienced workshop or tyre fitter that can carry out/check the wheel alignment for me. I live in the inner west of Sydney. I'm not after cheap, I'm looking for a good job preferably by someone experience with the C5's.

    I appreciate your feedback.

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    First point is that the C5 and the C5X7 have completely different front and rear suspension setups so I suspect the wheel alignment specs are quite different too. The rear of the C5X7 is toe-in/out adjustable (using E series bolts) and they do need adjusting every 100kkm or so whereas the C5 trailing arm suspension has fixed alignment.

    SPY124, You must be driving like a spy around Sydney eg very fast and enjoying the corners. I managed to get 50kkm out of a set of Michelin Primacy HP tyres that came on my C5. I'm glad I ignored my sons when they wanted me to put some Dunlop LM 709 on the SM with that sort of wear rate.

    I would suggest you get some decent Michelins - I am using Michelin Primacy 3ST now and am very pleased with them - run them with a bit more air in them to make them stand up a bit better during cornering. You will always get some outside tyre wear on the left hand front tyre due to road camber and the fact you usually corner faster turning right.

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    Thanks Ken, it's actually Mrs SPY that does most of the driving in the C5, so yes, I think you nailed it, driving around very fast enjoying the corners - probably still thinking she is in our previous 2003 2.0 Xsara! (we miss that car BTW).

    Regarding tyre pressure, we run 45psi in the front and a tad less in the rear, I'd say this is about right, yes?

    I appreciate your recommendation and I have visited the Michelin site to check them out so Ill be looking at fitting a couple Primacy 3ST's up front to see how they go. I recently had some new XM2's fitted to my weekend car and drove the fun route up to QLD and back and they were brilliant! Not sure how they will last but I don't really care, they were great fun.

    I'm not confident that Mrs Spy will come close to 55k out of set but even if I get 20k out of them I'll be happy. I tried to find info on the Michies site about these 3ST's being directional or not, being able to flip them would be good, anyway I ask the dealer when I contact them.

    After chatting with my spanner man about this issue today I'll be booking in a session with Heasmans.

    Thanks for your time bud.

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    I go to the citroen centre near Punchbowl for my repairs/service, I find them very knowledgeable & they do a good job. I come down from Canberra to get services done there rather than the local dealer. 02 9759 1977.

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    I think that you are running too high pressure - check your door placard (driver's side) for recommended pressure. Although too high pressure would lead to premature centre wear not side wear.

    Did the aligner ensure the car was running and at normal ride height while aligning? I had one done once on my X7 and took it straight back - asking if the car was running at the time. Um, no. Quickly rectified.
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    Does the engine need to be running if car has electric hydraulic pump? Wouldn't ignition on be sufficient?

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    Quote Originally Posted by agd123 View Post
    I go to the citroen centre near Punchbowl for my repairs/service, I find them very knowledgeable & they do a good job. I come down from Canberra to get services done there rather than the local dealer. 02 9759 1977.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armidillo View Post
    Does the engine need to be running if car has electric hydraulic pump? Wouldn't ignition on be sufficient?

    It "may" be unless the car goes into economy mode before the alignment is complete.
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    That's a good point - most times our car drops down after turning it off. I overlooked mentioning this at a recent wheel alignment so assume it has probably been wheel aligned in the lower position?
    They give 'before' and 'after' readings for the alignment - I tried to reconcile the 'afters' from Jax, with the 'afters' from a wheel alignment I had done a couple of months earlier at Bob Jane, but couldn't get them to line up? Perhaps one was done in normal position, other in the lower position?
    Only difference I could notice after last wheel alignment was that steering wheel was off-centre after the alignment (was ok before). Took it back and they fixed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    I think that you are running too high pressure - check your door placard (driver's side) for recommended pressure. Although too high pressure would lead to premature centre wear not side wear.

    Did the aligner ensure the car was running and at normal ride height while aligning? I had one done once on my X7 and took it straight back - asking if the car was running at the time. Um, no. Quickly rectified.
    Thank you, I did check the door placard and found no recommended tyre pressures mentioned on it. I checked my handbook and it too makes no reference to actual pressures to be used either. Is this normal??

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    I was recommended by my spanner man some years ago to use 45psi in the front so that's what I've been doing.

    Regarding the previous aligner keeping the car running while performing the work, I doubt that he had any idea of this.

    Thanks for the tips all!

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    I run an X7, but I have a note that the previous model with 215/55R16 uses 36 psi front, 33 psi rear. 45 psi is rather high for a standard road car.

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    The tyre placard on mine is on the rear edge of the driver's door. Tyre size and recommended pressures are clearly indicated. I did not check the service manual in the car, but I expect it would contain the tyre pressure recommendations too rather than the handbookC5 hdi comfort in need of front wheel alignment-c5-tyre-plac-2.jpgC5 hdi comfort in need of front wheel alignment-c5-tyre-plac-1.jpg
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    Quote Originally Posted by SPY124 View Post
    Regarding tyre pressure, we run 45psi in the front and a tad less in the rear, I'd say this is about right, yes?
    For the racetrack

    I think around 35-37 would be a little more comfy.
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