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    Oright then... howdo you remove #2 and #3 plug with tool as it doesn't fit under the injection carbunkle thingy?

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    Hahaha. Silly injection cars. Which tool are you using? A "factory" one? I used to part remove the induction manifold tilting it up making sure not to disturb the injector wiring and making sure the sealing rubbers on the manifold were re seated and sealing properly when re fitting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DS View Post
    Hahaha. Silly injection cars. Which tool are you using? A "factory" one? I used to part remove the induction manifold tilting it up making sure not to disturb the injector wiring and making sure the sealing rubbers on the manifold were re seated and sealing properly when re fitting.
    Okay, so there is no easier way? I thought of that but I was kinda of sure there must be a quicker way to change a plug!
    Yes am using the "factory" tool. So tomorrow it's injection off then.
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    Its really easy...................compared to...................an injection SM!

    When I had my injected DS back in 1986 a friend had a Cadillac with injection. It used to take him ALL DAY to change plugs so I always felt good knowing my car was easier to do.

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    Is there a longlife plug you can use on the IE? Like platinum plugs or something?

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    Default Plug Removal

    They can be removed with everything intact.
    1) Make a plug spanner by welding together 2 3/8 drive plug sockets
    2) Fit a long wobbly extension and hey presto - remove.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harrisson_citroen View Post
    Oright then... howdo you remove #2 and #3 plug with tool as it doesn't fit under the injection carbunkle thingy?
    I got an IE and the standard Citroen plug spanner fits down each side of the intake manifold, there is a wire you have to squeeze past but it can be done as I have had all the plugs out when it was trying to run on three cylinders
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    Quote Originally Posted by Techbuy View Post
    I got an IE and the standard Citroen plug spanner fits down each side of the intake manifold, there is a wire you have to squeeze past but it can be done as I have had all the plugs out when it was trying to run on three cylinders
    mmmm......that's not everyone's opinion. I know that if I used brute force I could have pushed the plug spanner in, but had my doubts if I could then remove it on the way out.
    Prefer the D to run with 2 old plugs rather than one new plug and a spanner stuck in the hole under the injection!

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    Pull the inlet manifold off..... Anything that breaks needed to be replaced for safety reasons either way I'd redo all the wiring while I'm there too. I was amazed what incredibly poor condition it was in on the DS21 here

    Those Djets are scarey dangerous if they still have the original heavily perished rubber lines attached to the injectors

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    Those Djets are scarey dangerous if they still have the original heavily perished rubber lines attached to the injectors

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    Jason did mention to me that the DS23 I'm about to go and collect should be driven 'on the trailer and off the trailer until it has a full service, including looking at the condition of all the EFi'...if I didn't want to risk an underbonnet fire....

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrisson_citroen View Post
    mmmm......that's not everyone's opinion. I know that if I used brute force I could have pushed the plug spanner in, but had my doubts if I could then remove it on the way out.
    Prefer the D to run with 2 old plugs rather than one new plug and a spanner stuck in the hole under the injection!

    No brute force used just a bit of careful manoeuvring, the plug spanner (original Citroen one) did not jam or have to be pushed hard at any time. It was a very easy fit past the inlet manifold just take it easy and the plug spanners goes on and off the plugs very easily.


    I am very careful of what I do and how I do it on my beloved D’s and if it there was any chance of damaging the car I would not have taken the plugs out this way and would have suggested you take off the inlet manifold if it needed brute force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Techbuy View Post
    No brute force used just a bit of careful manoeuvring, the plug spanner (original Citroen one) did not jam or have to be pushed hard at any time. It was a very easy fit past the inlet manifold just take it easy and the plug spanners goes on and off the plugs very easily.


    I am very careful of what I do and how I do it on my beloved Dís and if it there was any chance of damaging the car I would not have taken the plugs out this way and would have suggested you take off the inlet manifold if it needed brute force

    I have a re-make of the original plug spanner and honestly there is no way it is going to go in. As I go furtherdown the well, the plugspanner jams itself against the injection inlet and no manner of jiggling will get it there. Are they I wonder different versions of the inlet system as mine seems just that little bit too large to fit a spanner on the side of it?
    Thanks for the advice anyway but I think removal of inlet is the answer in my case. Will post pictures next week.
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    I will take some pictures of them tomorrow as the car is not here at home.
    then send you the pictures to see if there is any difference in the spanner and manifold, it was quite easy when I took my plugs out, only about three weeks ago as the engine was running on 2 1/2 cylinders.
    (it's not the ignition side its the fuel side causing this)
    I have the manifold off right now while I sort it out, found the inlet ports were not bolted up tight on the cylinder block (in fact they were very loose) it's a wonder the poor thing started at all, no gasket on the cold start, split hoses under the inlet manifold.. AHHHh!!!

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    Sorry got buried at work and did not get a chance to post these for you.

    The pictures are of the tools and then I popped the inlet maifold on to show the access to the plugs. the manifold is in its proper position with the throttle body removed.
    If the manifold is not mounted at its correct height (sloping down a bit on the drivers side) then the front one can be tight and would need brute force as you said.
    It is about 1 to 2mm clear when the manifold is level.
    the last one shows access through the plug in front of the windsheild

    The plug spanner is the original Citroen one.

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    It is indeed an original tool with the collar to avoid cross threading.

    Why are you using the extension? It looks like you can get the tool into the hole. Can't you then just use a bar or screwdriver shaft to un-do the plug from down low without the extension?

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    Not so easy to photograph, but on mine the spanner is already hardup against the cover and if I try harder it will only get jammed.
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    I don't see what the problem is.... the injection manifold is quite easy and quick to remove. There are only 6 hose clamps to loosen and one nut - the rest just pulls off and on.
    Just do it a few times - it's a doddle.

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    On the semi auto injection, must the clutch re engagement control unit be disconnected from the pressure lines?

    I haven't really taken notice of it because the engine is out and I removed the manifold by loosening the clutch re engagement unit's pressure lines, but I do NOT want to loosen them each time I need to change the plugs

    They say getting the system up and running is a real PITA

    Or can you loosen the nut keeping the CRC in place and lock the CRC with the pin, remove the arm from the accelerator spindle and lift the whole manifold off? I do think this is the better option

    Just wanted to know for future reference

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    Neither do I. I have a tube spanner, made by my father, with a 3/8 drive welded in the top,the top of which sits flush with the top of the rocker cover , attach a 3/8 universal drive and away you go. Also I have a standard plug socket (Sidchrome)with an internal plastic gromet to hold the plug, attach a short extension plus universal drive and away you go.
    You may have to do these attachings progressively but it works. Where has the great 'ozzie' ingenuity gone? My father ,an old time engineer would have looked at the 'dog' drive of the original tool in horror, a collar to stop cross threading 'quelle horreur"
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    Bobsie. Is your tool set and technique taking into consideration the deep hole and long plug extensions on a Citroen DS?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DS View Post
    Bobsie. Is your tool set and technique taking into consideration the deep hole and long plug extensions on a Citroen DS?
    I think not.
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    Thats what my father made his extended tube spanner for. Toward the end of his working life he worked in a garage specializing on french vehicles (in NZ ) I have a number of other quite simple tools he made to help (Bent 12mm spanner with extension and 3/8 socket drive attached to clamp distributors for example)
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