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    Converting a Berlingo to a ute?

    Hi everyone,

    I know this may seem a bit of an odd question, but has anyone contemplated converting a Berlingo to a ute?

    Our '78 Datsun 620 ute is getting a bit tired and I've been thinking a Berlingo would be a great replacement, if only it didn't have the van back.

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    What I'm not sure of is does the Berlingo have chassis rails or is it more car-like in its construction? If we were to cut the rear body panels out and fit a steel framed timber tray what do you think? I hope the poor Berlingo wouldn't fold in half! I guess with a bit of modification we could build in some chassis rails to put a tray on.

    Anyway, the converted Berlingo would suit us better than anything else because it is small and nippy just like our old Datsun, and we only need it to able to carry a few hundred kg so the 800kg payload is more than enough.

    Let us know what your thoughts are!

    By the way our XM is in at Continental Cars getting a new auto transmission at the moment. The transmission died a horrible screaching death 2 weeks ago.
    Derek

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    Interesting thought.
    From what I understand, the Berlingo is a purpose build van (unlike the Holden Combo) on the Zsara platform.
    I would think the roof would play a big part in it's strength, although you'd be sealing off the cabin area so some strength would be returned across the car. Front to back could be an issue especially if you wanted to carry near it's pay load.
    This could be the go...


    The XM transmission problem sounds painfully expensive

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    Hi gibgib,

    Thanks for your reply. Yeah the XM is a pretty expensive job. A reconditioned ZF transmission was about $3000. It even came in a fancy box apparently! It'd want to for that money hey?

    Dad follows Aussiefrogs a fair bit, and it appears the guys at Continental know who you are!

    Back to the Berlingo, even if we spend a few thousand on converting one, it'd still make a relatively cheap ute.
    What does anyone else think?

    What's happening with the window stickers?
    Derek

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    Take a look at French Connection's website & look at the R-12 ute David has on there.
    Perhaps he's the one you should be talking to

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    Hi Alan,

    I think you'll find the R12 ute is in fact a purpose built Dacia... Imported and made originaly as I ute. What can you get on the back of a ute you could get into the back of the berlingo?? If it's just ladders/long loads, how about a standard berlingo with a heavy duty roof rack?

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    <font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Alan S:
    Take a look at French Connection's website & look at the R-12 ute David has on there.
    Perhaps he's the one you should be talking to

    Alan S
    Actually I remember an R12 ute at European Autocare, South Brissy...

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    Wow you guys reply quickly.

    Shane, what we deliver we need to be able to unload off the sides.

    If it looks like they will be strong enough to convert, we'll probably try to find one that's had a rear-end crash.

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    GibGib,

    That R12 "ute" is a cut down wagon and a bit of a ruffy.

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    Derek,
    Hi enough about the Berlingo ute
    How many K's on the XM? Has it done a lot of towing? Has the transmission been regularly serviced? yes I'm afraid, very afraid....

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    Now I know we are starting to waft off the subject somewhat and the closest I hope to ever get to an auto box is as close as I am now - namely a c-matic and my knowledge of autos ain't that great, but with the sharing of parts & technology we have these days between various brands & even countries (anybody wanna buy a Chinese XM??) isn't it quite possible that a non genuine much lesser priced auto transmission could be just dropped straight in??
    Not preaching hereasay - justa thought - alright; I'll start cutting the wood; someone else can start weaving the crown of thorns

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    Chris,

    We've owned the XM since 140 000km. It was previously owned by a doctor in Mackay Qld and he had a towbar which was taken off and put on his new XM.

    It has done 197 000km now, and car has been serviced regularly by the same dealer since new, so again we can only assume the transmission has been serviced regularly. The doctor used to drive to Sydney every 6 months for his services - keen hey!

    Mum's 504 auto lasted just over 200 000km, so maybe 200 000km is the magic number when it comes to autos?

    Our cars are now in the gallery if you want to have a look.

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    Derek,
    You beat me to it with your XM in the gallery mine has just over 160k's so I guess I should start saving. When you first replied to my post re: faults and maintenance, you mentioned jerky throttle, apparently this is common on all early XM's auto and manual and happens at around 1700rpm? a real nuisance in slow moving traffic, I find that locking auto in 2nd. helps keep rpm above the 1700. Apparently there is a fix, I am talking to one of the guys at the yahoo XM site that is getting the electrical drawings to over-ride the problem, should have been a re-call by Citroen. Hope all goes well with the new auto thanks for your reply.

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    Hi all,
    Sorry to worry everyone but we're replacing auto's on BX's, 405's and R19's all the time and anything over 100,000 km and your on borroed time, I'm not just talking about French cars either, Aus and Jap are just as bad, as Alan says, this is as close as you'd want to get to a modern auto, old 504's, R12's, C matics could nearly go forever, we used to have a woman come in who was a sales person and did a lap of Victoria every week and last time I saw her(she has since written the car off) her old 504 auto had clocked up 1.1 million KM, the old Borg Warner still going strong. We have a saying at work, they got em right once, then they improved them.
    By the way, our R12 ute is an original Dacia 4x4 but I agree, a Berlingo ute is a bloody good idea. Hmmm, I've got an oxy, a mig and I can't see it being difficult, I was actually out looking at lease deals on Berlingos this week and being a van does put me off a bit, Hmmmm you've got me thinking, anybody want to buy a Dacia 4x4 ute?
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    David,

    An easy one for someone of your expertise. My sister is getting rid of her Renault 1.4 automatic (well R12). It's a guenuine 2owner car, her being the second owner, and the first being an old women who sold it when she couldn't turn the steering wheel.

    I've just found someone to give it to, hopefully it'll be a good home that'll get this car back on the road. It's only done a guenuine 125,000km's. Anyway the gearbox is stuck in first, when we pull the compters fuse it's stuck in 3rd. The box itself is good, doesn't flair on changes or slip. Where do I start looking (or tell him to look) to fix this problem. I'm thinking it'll be more a sensor somewhere than the computer itself.

    I'm hoping you've seen this about 20,000 times before and know the answer?

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    Month or more ago one of the auction houses in Adelaide had a low kilometre, very new damaged Berlingo (Silver if I recall) for sale, maybe Pickles. No idea of damage, no idea of where it went. Any South Aussies know?
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    You don't see too many Berlingo's second hand - well at least not yet.
    When company leases start to run up there will be lot's of half dead ones about

    I saw one at Geoghegan's here in Sydney a while back but it sold quick. They had $12,000 on it but I'm pretty sure it was the base model (w/out a/c, airbag).
    Still for that money & only 50,000 on the clock I'd expect as a ute you'd have it for a long time.
    I'm impressed with my Berlingo for build & reasonable simplicity (to say the least )

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    Shane,
    Stuck in 1st, yeah I have seen that, not often, usually they stick in top, I can't remember what the problem is though, I'll have to ask the experts tomorrow and get back to you.
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    Pickles are auctioning a "major left side damaged" 6/00 white Berlingo with 5000 odd ks in Canberra this Sat. No photo on website to see what this damage description means unfortunately.
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    Hi everyone,

    Just thought I'd let you know the final decision about the ute... we bought a Falcon Ute with a tipper on the back during last week. We'll take delivery in a month or so.

    Derek

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    Shane,

    According to my fault finder list for the 12 4139 transmission, sticking in 1st could be the governor or computer malfunctioning, or dirty connections on the various wiring harnesses to the governor/computer. This can be removed separately from the trans. It could also be the hydraulic distributor, the is accessible also with the trans in the car, but the sump plate removed. Try cleaning the connections etc first.

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    I just found this photo in the net.
    Looks a bit like a ute or could be:
    <img src="http://www.sipkehenk.cistron.nl/Citroen/berlingo-fotos/berlingo-12.jpg" alt="" />

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    Here's a ute:
    <img src="http://www.sipkehenk.cistron.nl/Citroen/berlingo-bedrijfs-fotos/berlingo-bedrijf-11.jpg" alt="" />

    Good site for Berlingo's
    <a href="http://berlingofan.ontheweb.nl/" target="_blank">http://berlingofan.ontheweb.nl/</a>

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    Looking at all that, it's got to a straightforward possibility.

    I noticed that there was a company in Oz adapting Berlingos for transporting disabled folk and offering extra seats as well as the necessary ramps etc.

    Does anyone know of a people mover type conversion in Australia...???

    There is just so much room in the back of the mongrels and they look really great..add some glass and a couple of extra seats and I'm sure the market would double ...I'd have to buy one anyway.

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    Here's a ute:
    <img src="http://www.sipkehenk.cistron.nl/Citroen/berlingo-bedrijfs-fotos/berlingo-bedrijf-11.jpg" alt="" />

    Good site for Berlingo's
    <a href="http://berlingofan.ontheweb.nl/" target="_blank">http://berlingofan.ontheweb.nl/</a>

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    Inside sources who I shouldn't quote told me that the Berlingo people carrier won't come to Aus as it failed the side impact requirements once the side door went in.
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    There is a disabled Berlingo van near me. It is called a Free Runner.
    Looks a bit different at the front & rear too.
    The people mover version's rear/ side sliding doors don't open far enough for the aussie standards.

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