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    C5 or Laguna

    Is the C5 V6 shared with the Renault Laguna? Drive.com.au lists them whith exactly the same cc although the renault runs on ULP and is 1.7 sec faster to 100km, the Citroen does put out 5 more KW but less Torque. Weird

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    Mark,

    Not entirely sure but I do know it's the PRV V6. That stands for Peugeot Renault Volvo so it's a pretty safe bet!

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    out of curiosity, in what way is the current Pug/Cit/Renault V6 related to Volvo? I know the Peugeot 604 and 505 V6 models shared the engine with the Volvo 760 etc, so is the Pug engine the same one that is turboed in the S80?
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    I dont know all that business about PRV. I know they shared and developed engines years ago but as for now I have no idea...The laguna is a fantastic car however. I would love one..

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    Hi Mark,

    There is a site with all the different PRV an PR V6 variants in a table - it is

    <a href="http://www.vectorbd.com/peugeot/v6.html" target="_blank">PRV V6 Engines</a>

    It is not clear if the current Laguna uses the same engine form this, but I assume that if the capacity is exactly the same it is probably the same unit.

    The later 60 degree engine is not used by Volvo, who AFAIK only have inline engines at the moment - the S90 has the only inline transverse 6 in current production.

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    That's true, Volvo only use inline engines for safety (better crumpling characteristics in their transverse layout), and for ease of turbocharging.

    The S80 is the world's only car with a transverse inline 6. The RN series engine is a further development of the N series, which Volvo introduced back in 1990. Porsche helped with its development. The 960 benefitted hugely from dumping the PRV 2.8 with the Volvo 2.9 - 108kW vs 150kW.

    Are the latest generation of French V6s still PRV based? I've never heard anything good about those engines.

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    I know for sure that the V6 in the C5 is totally new as of the last few years or so. It is shared with the V6 in the 406. They are known as a gem of a motor. Revvy and torquey.

    I think the Renault motor is a different motor again. I dont think either motor's share anything with the old old PRV motor.

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    Hi Macquered,

    I think this clarifies it - (found after a bit more googling)

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    <a href="http://www.autointell.com/News-1999/july-1999/news_of_July-06-99-p2.htm" target="_blank">News Item about Peugeot Renault V6</a>
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    Thanks All, nothin like a good google to short it all out. Citroen must somehow strangle their version to lower the power and raise the torque.
    I wish they would put the Deisel (the good one) in the estate, no pleasing everyone though.
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    Pug307:

    The S80 is the world's only car with a transverse inline 6.

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    OK, here's one for the smarties (Paul Smith is not allowed to answer this one immediately as I know HE will know the answer...

    What was the world's first car with a transverse inline 6? Where was it built?

    Any guesses?

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    markm:
    Thanks All, nothin like a good google to short it all out. Citroen must somehow strangle their version to lower the power and raise the torque.
    I wish they would put the Deisel (the good one) in the estate, no pleasing everyone though.
    Just wait a little while. ATECO is battling hard to get the diesel and the V6 in Aussie C5 Estates. Now that they have proven a market and demand, they can stamp their feet louder and longer and get a better response.

    Perhaps later this year??? wink
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    I love the C5 actually. Itn is a bit boxy looking and also when the ads in the magazines say "19 onboard computers rebooted" it concerns me.....

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    the austin kimberley was a tranverse 6 i think??????

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    OK, here's one for the smarties (Paul Smith is not allowed to answer this one immediately as I know HE will know the answer...

    What was the world's first car with a transverse inline 6? Where was it built?

    Any guesses?

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    Wasn't it the six cylinder version of the Austin 1800, called the Austin 3 Litre or something? Had the Vanden Plas style grille, I think. Which is of course where the Kimberly engine would have come from.

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    I'd have guessed it was the Austin Tasman/Kimberley range unless there's something odd from Italy that I've not heard of.

    That engine (nor the configuration) wasn't to my knowledge the same as in the (pretty horrible) UK Austin 3 Litre in the old (and excellent) 1800 shell, as the Tasman had an Australian engine - BMC in Australia did much better things and more original engineering than people remember now or sometimes give them credit for. Pity about the parent company!

    My father had a Kimberley and it was a good, secure-feeling car to drive. Not perhaps the MOST reliable......

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    Why dont you buy a Renault 25 instead much cheaper car and just as good..

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    Hi Daniel,

    The 25 is a fine car except for the stupid woman behind the dash always telling you that you are out of fuel! (and I do remember something about dodgy autoboxes too?) - but like Citroen CX's they seem to be doomed to die the death of terminal neglect - what is is about 80's big French cars.

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    stuartb:
    the austin kimberley was a tranverse 6 i think??????
    Yes folks, stuartb was the first one back with the correct answer.

    In typical form of course, the car was developed in Aus. "We need some bludy power in this thing mate. Let's drop a bludy 6 cylinder donk in the mongrel and she how she goes!"

    I must admit I still admire the Austin 1800 body. I remember riding in one a few times when I was a kid, and they were huge inside and very comfy.

    Anyway, well done Stuart

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    Yes folks, stuartb was the first one back with the correct answer.
    Stuart, you must get the 'Golden Trout Award' for this week two obscure observations within a week wink eek! wink well done!!

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    followed in stupidity by the Austin 1800 ute for the aussie market.....brilliant with a heavy load on a slippery uphill.....

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    Hi Craig,

    Just to add my bit.

    The engine was actually an english one - the Austin Maxi unit with 2 cylinders added - also used in the six-cylinder versions of the Rover SD1 - must have been very exciting with 2.2 litres!

    In the UK they ended up with the Austin 2200 and Wolseley Six about 2 years after we got the Kimberley/Tasman - using the old 1800 body work and the 6 cylinder engine. Of course the enlarged 2.6 litre version of the engine also found its way into the late lamented P76.

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    I actually owned an Austin Tasman for a while.....(long story)

    The six wasn't too bad, it was alot like most small capacity sixes...didn't have a whole lot of torque but revved and revved quite sweetly and certainly went much better than an 1800 (had one of them too....even longer story), it drank like a fish though.

    To drive they were very solid/rigid and quite heavy but once you got used to all that, they could be hustled along very effectively much like a giant nose heavy Mini.

    I don't know what the deal was, they're not known for it, but mine was amazing on dirt it was a beautifully balanced drifter I could comfortably out distance my friends in MK1 escorts and 180bs on dirt (probably cause they cared more about their cars! wink ).....

    The hydro-elastic (spastic) suspension also suited the tasman/Kimberley better than smaller lighter cars imo, and gave pretty decent ride.

    The Kimberley was the better pick of the two, it had twin carbs etc

    Pity the things were so horrifically unreliable, in other ways they were a better car than was expected.
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    DTwo:


    The Kimberley was the better pick of the two, it had twin carbs etc
    It was only the Mk1 Kimberley that had the twin carb, discontinued on the Mk 2 Kimberley because of tuning problems. One problem solved, another few hundred to go!

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    I went and had a look at the laguna very nice execpt no headroom in the back and only comes with V6 and the joint was so busy I could not get a drive...expect to see lots of Renaults on the road, they were buyers not just lookers. Went to the Cit dealer, much quieter, took a Diesel for a spin nice and quiet plenty of go (for a diesel) just the ticket except....get in line if you want any particular color, sunroof, leather etc oh well they say waiting does build character. evil evil evil
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