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    XM to buy one or not?

    Before reading this forum I never considered an XM, in fact I didn't think they looked that good either but......with time I have come to like them and I've been looking in the classifieds and am a little confused. Which model is the one to go for, were all Aus ones V6 were their different trim levels, when did the series II appear here and are they worth the extra? I would really like a Diesel Estate but I don't think their is one in Australia HELP!!! eek!

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    I am in the UK and have a 3.0 V6 SEi.
    Love it. You can buy XMs here for very little money and they are better than most cars you would pay 4 times more to own.
    A lot of car for a little money.
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    There is at least one diesel estate in Aus, a dark blue one wearing NSW plates when I saw it just over a year ago.
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    Must've been a personal import,

    they originaly sold a few 2litre auto's following by only upper spec V6 auto's out here. Yeah no manuals... disappro dead

    Why do they also have to wreck good cars with crappy automatic gearboxs. Now gimme a nice DS19 anyday (infact any DS19).... Proper manual gearbox, with hydraulicly wink powered clutch engagement and gear selection :p

    Why do I want so many cars An XM would be great, so would a 2CV and a Light15 and.... sttoooopppp meeeeeee ....

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    Mark,
    I'm very happy with mine, 91 V6 auto, and yes I would buy another, maybe in a few years though. The series II (as with most Citroens) ironed out a few of the bugs. The guys are correct no manuals or diesels sold through Aus dealers. There are a number of private imports, one recently advertised I think in WA series II 24 valve V6 manual would have to be a nice car.

    Euroserve here in Brisbane had a Diesel Estate in for some major work, engine rebuild, and serious suspension work, previous owner had a bad case of neglect so there may be a few around.

    For my money I'd be much happier with a late model XM than a C5, seems like there are plenty of bugs to be ironed out there. (Take a look at C5-L Yahoo)

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    Here in Spain XMs are not too common but, almost everyday, I see at least one while driving home from work . I always feel fine when I see one wink .

    Mine is a Series-I (1992) 2.0 Turbo CT, manual.

    I have it only for three months and have been working on several neglected areas (it seems previous owner cared for the car until he left it to his son ). It still has an unoperative aircon (bad compressor eek! ) but everything else works (well, sometimes ABS fault come in ). As I got all spheres replaced and it seems Hydractive is working mostly fine (I still need to check if some sensors work as they should), car is a pleasure to drive.

    So, yes, buy one !

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    Thanks everyone just one more question. Which v6 engines came out here, I have read their was an early V6 that went very hard did it ever get out here. Also I am looking at the XM because it has rear legroom something they forgot in the C5. And the shape has really grown on me its a bit SMish. eek!
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    Hi Mark,

    I suspect you are thinking about the early 24 valve XMs, which were not sold in this country, as they only came in manual versions. There is one in the NSW club, a private import, and quite a flyer apparently.

    It is a different engine from the later 24 valve, which is the same as in the V6 Xantia and the 406/607.

    From what I have gathered the car to look for is the later 8 valve - around '96 - sorted out (most of) the bugs and can be had for a good price - the late 24 valve ones are still a bit pricey - you can go close to C5 money.

    All the engines seem capable of very high mileages - it does seem that the autoboxes are a bit of a worry and you may need to be prepared for an overhaul - it costs about $4000 I hear!

    Good to see someone interested in XMs

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    The Series 1 12v while a nice engine had nothing on the 24v v6 that shipped in the series 2.

    The 24v was noticably smoother, more powerful and the more "sporty" unit of the two. It pulled quite hard too wink
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    And apparently is more prone to requiring more adjustment and servicing.

    I think 12v is enough to get me into trouble!

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    Thanks all one more question. How do you tell if its a series II and does that mean that it has a 24V donk?
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    I think all the Series 2 XMs in Australia had 24v engines.....one of these guys will know for sure

    The series 2 also had a different dashboard, instruments, alloy wheel style erm.........

    can't think of any other obvious things.....the series 2s were screwed together a bit better IMO
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    The 24v motor will have three large ovals (as if a grizzly swiped it) on the plastic cover, just like the 406SV.
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    <a href="http://www.tramontana.co.hu/citroen/models/xmmodels.html" target="_blank">Spot the difference</a>

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    I got it!!!
    Series one has the stering wheel on the left hand side and series two has it in the middle eek! :p approve

    Or is that just the photography? clown clown

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    Alan,
    Can always rely on you

    I had another look at that site and noticed big overiders on front bumper of the series I? must be a ring in, haven't seen that before?

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    "Déesse" Roland Barthes, 'Mythologies', 1957

    The Déesse has all the characteristics of one of those objects fallen from another universe that fed the mania for novelty in the eighteenth century and a similar mania expressed by modern science fiction: the Déesse is first and foremost the new Nautilus.

    (Umberto Eco [Ed], The History of Beauty, Rizzoli, NY, 2004)

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    Big overriders because its a Swedish or Norwegian car (forgotten which numberplate is which) that house headlight washers (given the climate maybe heated? headlight washers?)
    You'll see similar protrusions on BXs from that region (though maybe not as big!).
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    DTwo:
    I think all the Series 2 XMs in Australia had 24v engines.....one of these guys will know for sure

    The series 2 also had a different dashboard, instruments, alloy wheel style erm.........

    can't think of any other obvious things.....the series 2s were screwed together a bit better IMO
    No, not all S2 cars had 24v - mine is S2 and has 12v.

    The dash is certainly different. The S1 has what looks like an overgrown S2 BX dash with rotary aircon dials etc. The S2 XM has an electronic push button arrangement for the aircon control and it all looks better.

    Yes there have been different wheel combos, but these could confuse the hell out of anyone.

    To make matters worse you have to remember that we only got a limited range of what was produced. There were multiple engine variations including four and six cyl petrol, turbo, diesel etc etc. Trim levels in the Euro spec cars also differed widely from basic cloth to full leather. There was even a "panel van" sort of version based on the estate.

    I think that some of the very late XM s2 have the 24 valve engine.

    Confused? Good!

    BTW - if you watch "Ronin" the movie, carefully watch the chase scene with the XM and you will clearly identify that there was more than one XM used. Anyone know the fault I am referring to?

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    BTW - if you watch "Ronin" the movie, carefully watch the chase scene with the XM and you will clearly identify that there was more than one XM used. Anyone know the fault I am referring to?
    Ahh yes, the old series I, becoming a series II trick blush

    The dash is certainly different. The S1 has what looks like an overgrown S2 BX dash with rotary aircon dials etc. The S2 XM has an electronic push button arrangement for the aircon control and it all looks better.
    Ummm, but loses the single spoke steering wheel in favour of an air bag.. sacre bleu :p

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    (Umberto Eco [Ed], The History of Beauty, Rizzoli, NY, 2004)

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    Thanks again now I know that the one thats been advertised for ever as a '95 model certainly has the right grille (SII)but is it worth $30K the dealer has had it for at least 6 months. Also does anyone know if the Canberra ex embassy car has been sold, was asking $46K but only 56000km and '98, no ad this week so I cannot ring them thats the trouble with the internet! anyone got a SMH from a couple of weeks ago? Anybody know of any others?

    Thanks in advance
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    Have you tried checking out the smh/Age classified website through drive.com.au , Mark. Ads often hang around there longer than in the paper.

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    markm:
    Thanks again now I know that the one thats been advertised for ever as a '95 model certainly has the right grille (SII)but is it worth $30K the dealer has had it for at least 6 months. Also does anyone know if the Canberra ex embassy car has been sold, was asking $46K but only 56000km and '98, no ad this week so I cannot ring them thats the trouble with the internet! anyone got a SMH from a couple of weeks ago? Anybody know of any others?

    Thanks in advance
    Mark,

    This what you were looking for?

    CITROEN XM
    Exclusive '98 auto V6
    3L, white, all options, black leather,
    sunrf, CD, full log bks, VGC, 57ks.
    $46,000 neg. ACT (02) 6294 4503.


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    Or perhaps this one

    <a href="http://www.personaltradingpost.com.au/addisplay.asp?State=VIC&sMsg=keywordsearch&origpag e=1" target="_blank">http://www.personaltradingpost.com.au/addisplay.asp?State=VIC&sMsg=keywordsearch&origpag e=1</a>

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    <small>[ 17 May 2002, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: Alan S ]</small>
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    Yep thats it! I will hold off for just now as I've just put in an offer on this SM (its a V6 with an M in it isn't it?)Have to wait and see but an XM would be more practical......

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    You LUCKY [email protected]

    Just make sure that sucker has upgraded timing chains, and all the sodium filled exhaust valves replaced with stainless steel. On cars that haven't been used for some time, the exhaust valve tends to break it's top and drop into the cylinder with rather dramatic results eek! eek! eek!

    Infact when it comes to the timing chains, no matter how insistant the previous owner is that there ok, I'd still be checking them... And if it still has the york compressor, BIN IT!! I think that's one of the causes of timing chain stretching (and the fact the primary chain has no tensioner ). I've heard of report of $10,000usd to rebuild the maserati donk, so you don't want pistons meeting valves :p :p

    good luck,
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    Just had another gander at the pic; be a good one to post on a petrol heads site who were non-frog-savvy and ask what they thought of the spoiler.
    Have a look at the back up & see what you'd think if you didn't know these things and looked quickly at it eek!

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    P.S. While you're at it, take a look at this SM for sale that came through this morning.
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    <small>[ 18 May 2002, 09:32 AM: Message edited by: Alan S ]</small>
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