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    Default Hyundai & Xantia share the same auto box!

    I heard today that the internals of a Hyundai automatic transmission (not sure what model yet) are the exact same as the Xantia's

    From the outside they look different but the guts are the same & made under license from whoever - Citroen, ZF??.

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    Gee well no more said.
    Hyundai the boxes should be bulletprof then and have a 5 year warranty.hehe.
    Seriously that is very weird what a mechanic?

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    Well seeing as the ZF auto boxes in the Xantia are made by (wait for it ) ZF, this doesn't surprise me at all...there are a few other brands that use the same boxes too, for example I've heard theres a model of Saab that uses the 4HP14 used in the Xantia as well.

    Not many car manufacturers make their own auto gearboxes these days, they tend to be made by a 3rd party specialist such as ZF.

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    That's why it makes no sense when Aussie mechanic "experts" bag out the BW35 in the DS. It is the same box in the Falcons of the era (ok the casing is different) but because it's in a Sitrun it has been cursed by a witch etc etc etc.

    Hell, BW even made boxes for Mercedes Benz for many years.
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    The BW35 is in so many cars of the 70's you couldn't list them all.. from the venerable Valiant to most British cars of that era.... and it's bullet proof.. !

    As for the ZF4 HP14 it's on every non turbo Saab 900 and 9000 of the 80's and 90's... as well as some Audi's and Alfa Romeos...

    I have been told the Hyindai Sonata 4speed boxes in the V6 2.7 series use the same ZF internals as the Xantia no idea how to confirm this though apart from getting the respective service manuals and comparing notes... I guess
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    Default Hyundai & Xantia share the same auto box!

    No supprise: Mitsubishi Motors and PSA Peugeot CitroŽn Sign Cooperation Agreement on All-New SUVst to be launched in Europe in 2007 http://media.mitsubishimotors.com/pr...etail1302.html
    Mitsu gives techno-support to Hyundai and Proton, so by the law of asociation Hyundai and PSA are likely to be in relationship.

    This is good for us, once we can link which cars share the same parts we can opt the cheaper brand and get quality parts for less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Geosteer
    No supprise: Mitsubishi Motors and PSA Peugeot CitroŽn Sign Cooperation Agreement on All-New SUVst to be launched in Europe in 2007 http://media.mitsubishimotors.com/pr...etail1302.html
    Mitsu gives techno-support to Hyundai and Proton, so by the law of asociation Hyundai and PSA are likely to be in relationship.
    While this might be true, it doesn't have any relevance to the question of the Xantia sharing a gearbox, as the agreement didn't exist when the Xantia was being made...back in 1993 - 2001.

    The gearboxes are shared only because they're made by ZF, who is a 3rd party gearbox maker that supplies many unrelated brands...
    This is good for us, once we can link which cars share the same parts we can opt the cheaper brand and get quality parts for less.
    Well if you're only interested in cheap parts it might be a good thing, but if you like Citroen's for their individuality and unique engineering, its a bad thing for them to share parts with a brand like Hyundai.

    It's bad enough with them sharing lots of parts with Peugeot (one of the most conservative and straight laced brands around at the time they merged with Citroen) sharing engines and gearboxes is probably ok, but too many other compromises have been forced on Citroen because of it - for example McPherson struts for the front suspension, largely so that the same body shell can be shared with Peugeot.

    Look at any of the later models from the C5 onwards and even the big Citroen's are now using standard vaccum servo brake systems, and you can be sure that the reason is (a) cutting costs (b) sharing the same brake systems with Peugeot.

    One by one the things which made Citroen unique are being erroded away by all this parts sharing with other marques

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    Apparently the BW box in a D turns backwards, so repairers who are used to BWs automatically fit things.... backwards...

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    I'd be wary buying parts for one to fit another as manufacturers can usually stuff you nicely as was found when some tried the old urban legend that "Vanguard motors are the exact same ones they use in Fergy Tractors."
    Sure some parts fitted, but I know a pretty well versed "cocky" who was put onto a supply of Vanguard engine parts as he was having trouble finding and affording the Fergy bits only to find they didn't all fit after all.
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    It all sounds good doesn't it.
    Surely if it was that easy, an enterprising mechanic would hqave cottoned on by now, even if to only resell to frog fans at a mildly inflated price instead of highly inflated.
    A bit like the BMW and Pug 505 auto boxes being the same ZF4HP22. I am sure the mounts would be different and the $600 quoted for the BM box would be surpassed when qall the mods are done with
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    The Borg Warner 35 wasn't a great box. It was decidedly average and barely handled the torque of the Aussie sixes. Yes, Chrysler Aus replaced the wonderful and unbreakable Torque Flite with the 35 but this was to increase the Aussie content of the car, not due to it being a better slush box.

    The C4 was better, and the FMX the strongest offered here in Oz Fords.

    Of course, Holden ran the Trimatic (known in the trade as the 'traumatic') and even threw it into the Gemini...

    The 35 might have been plentiful but it still barked

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