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    Default ID cabrio for sale...or is it???

    Now before anyone gets too excited...
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...MakeTrack=true

    this is not a genuine cabrio as according to the DS Citroen bible (original DS by john reynolds and jan de lange)the chassis number (3616776) is a 1964 ID saloon(3605001-3629166)..cabrio's in 1964 were 3281601-3281608

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    Looks like the real deal to me ..... Man what I'd do to get my hands on that rusty old heap of junk .... Do you think they'd pay me to tak eit away

    You can see where the 'boomerang' indicators attach, I know little about Chaprons, but that's either a real one, or a bloody exceptional fake.

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    Yep...it LOOKS like it but can you argue with the chassis number??
    if john reynolds book is to believed it is NOT a genuine cabrio...notice there are no photos of door open..this would show a wider sill than normal..sort of triangular shape and the two door catch's that were only on cabrios..(and two jacking points) plus bottom of door is sheathed in metal....other details do look like cabrio items but that is not unusual with well faked examples of anything.....
    does anyone think this is genuine??? surely it is not given the chassis details
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    and yes Shane...I almost wet my pants when i first saw it
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    I think the arse end is right for the year ?? Time to forward this to an expert ... I'll see what Pierre thinks.

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    yeah...the right lucas type rear lights and fibreglass boot...the right interior light on the firewall,boomarang indicators...all of which can be put on....but the chassis number gives it up....harder to erase old number and stamp a new one on....I'd say it probably wasn't a deliberate attempt to defraud..just a good copy...
    http://i4.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/4c/dd/1b_12.JPG
    at least it's not being offered out of indo/sth east asia...or is Israel a new country to look out for!!
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    Have emailed seller with questions regarding validity of chassis number...lets see if he responds!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    I think the arse end is right for the year ?? Time to forward this to an expert ... I'll see what Pierre thinks.

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    I have a complete french listed cars that a visiting uncle gave me when I was 16 it has year,make,model,production run,price of every year.
    according to this1961 Citroen first started selling these beastbut they werent ID 19 they where all DS19.
    And 1964 DS 19 cabriolet 22.095 F(ID/DS/BK 85 379 total that sold that year my nanny helped that tally ). this model did not have fuel injection yet.

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    Hell, I don't care if it's real or not - I'd still sell my left nut for it.

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    IF the photos would show things like the double door catches, the slightly different chassis members, the two jacking points etc........ It's hard to fathom a car being worth serious $$$$ being parked up like that ??

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    Default ID Chapron

    That car is the goods. Though an excellent general reference, the Reynolds book isn't foolproof on chassis numbers and other points . For example, my 63 safari is listed as a saloon & I'm sure nobody has played with the plate or converted that!

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    I know of another D cabrio coming to Oz....bought for less than the starting price but rusty!! of course...there is also a cabrio being restored (in melb)that was bought in the US of A for around $15,000 but owner has had to spend lots of $$$$ (over $60,000) to get it up to scratch...
    ID cabrio's were made from july 1961...(ie ..usine were the factory version and Chapron made cabrios as well...and in fact convinced Citroen to do it...citroen supplied bodys to Chapron)
    Chris Pity you missed the replica DS cabrio in qld then(maybe you could have left a nut as a down payment )....in great shape and a pinch at mid $20's....who has it now??? and did they have to seel both nuts and the old fella?
    .. Buttercup Bob was looking at making them....Bob...perhaps the time is right now???
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    Perhaps it isn't foolproof Tim...but what proof do you have that it is genuine??
    I must admit it looks the part...
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    It's got to be a ID cab non of this nancy DS stuff for me

    I had no idea that you could still find id cabs at reasonable prices.

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    Yeah, on closer inspection something funny is going on. The boot badge says DS 21 for a start. It also seems odd to me that it would have an id motor when the interior is DS spec - slopy dash etc. The plate looks suspiciously like ID 19F, with the F messed about. F designates the break variant. My guess is that a rusty DS 21 cabrio got grafted onto an ID safari - interior transplated. And what of the ominous, ambiguous line 'some panels were cut' - or something to that effect. Spooky.

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    Chris....It takes quite a bit of detective work to find them...any cheap one should be looked at carefully and almost certainly will be rusty.....
    most people who know where they are won't spill their secrets!!!
    I still kick myself when about 5 yrs ago I was offered a very nice canadian one for $55,000 aust $$$$$
    Tim...well spotted...I hadn't picked those bits out....boot could be from another cabrio?? same with engine i guess...but the plate..hmmmmm...just wish someone could def say one way or the other...not that I'm going to bid on it....a swift death from SWMO would result
    ..still...a nice dream....
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    Default and again

    actually I think it is a DS spec motor...same as my safari. Geez you'd be wanting to see it in the flesh I'd reckon before spending big money. Wonder if they'd consent to an RACV check?

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    and I would have thought it would have the white screen rubber and mounts for the cibie auxillary lights??? All of the cabs had pallas specs, didn't they? those door trims look rudimentary for a chapron, as do the hubcaps. It's a safari I'll swear!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy
    Chris....It takes quite a bit of detective work to find them...any cheap one should be looked at carefully and almost certainly will be rusty.....
    most people who know where they are won't spill their secrets!!!
    I still kick myself when about 5 yrs ago I was offered a very nice canadian one for $55,000 aust $$$$$
    Tim...well spotted...I hadn't picked those bits out....boot could be from another cabrio?? same with engine i guess...but the plate..hmmmmm...just wish someone could def say one way or the other...not that I'm going to bid on it....a swift death from SWMO would result
    ..still...a nice dream....
    Dogboy, I saw a DS21 one at Shannons about 15-20 years ago it was grey and i think it sold for around $18,000 . always wondered what happend to it.
    Do Shannons keep records of sales ?

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    Would I be right in saying that a DS/ID cabriolet is made from a Safari chassis and therefore it'd have a wagon-designated plate number ?

    If the owner's answers are anything to go by, it seems legitimate.

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    Not all cabrio's were on safari chassis's...there were many permutations within such a short production (all info from the bible)
    The usine cabrio used standard bodyshell (from DS or id saloon 1961-63...from the id break with added C pillars and inner rear side panels 1964-71,from the saloon again thereafter) without B pillar and roof suporting structure,and with the inner faces of the side members strengthened..2.1mm instead of 1.8mm these were the same as one the break,so that the cabrio similarly has two jacking points....This platform left Quai de Javel and chassis number was designated as a cabrio...then it wentr to Chapron for bodywork,bodywork,seating,hood and other trim elements at his workshops at levallois-Perret near Paris...
    Cheers
    ps This is the owners email to me...for some reason he didn't post my question on the auction Q&A
    Maybe you can help me to find another spot to find the correct chassis number, myabe the plate is not the original one -the car is 100% original!! Regards, Akiva.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy
    Not all cabrio's were on safari chassis's...there were many permutations within such a short production (all info from the bible)
    The usine cabrio used standard bodyshell (from DS or id saloon 1961-63...from the id break with added C pillars and inner rear side panels 1964-71,from the saloon again thereafter) without B pillar and roof suporting structure,and with the inner faces of the side members strengthened..2.1mm instead of 1.8mm these were the same as one the break,so that the cabrio similarly has two jacking points....This platform left Quai de Javel and chassis number was designated as a cabrio...then it wentr to Chapron for bodywork,bodywork,seating,hood and other trim elements at his workshops at levallois-Perret near Paris...
    Cheers
    ps This is the owners email to me...for some reason he didn't post my question on the auction Q&A
    Maybe you can help me to find another spot to find the correct chassis number, myabe the plate is not the original one -the car is 100% original!! Regards, Akiva.
    Henri Chapron made some seriously fine examples of cits, I thought this thread was about when Citroen released the convertible DS

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    He sure did...as to the thread...originally it was on the validity of the DS up for sale....Is this a real cabrio or not? many nuances have passed since that first post..but hey I digress....
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    It looks pretty legit
    Except the badge on the boot
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    Most likely a great car in its day but how much money would a person sink into it to get it back to daily driving condition?
    It looks like its a money pit. You would never recover your costs if you had to sell it.

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    So: we have established the following: It might be a fake and therefore not worth millions.
    It might not and therefore be worth big money.
    Who cares?
    It might be a convertible Citroen that all but twenty people on the planet will swoon over.
    It might cost too much to restore as fake or genuine article.

    I'd probably be lynched for suggesting that it would be easy enough to cut up a good DS/ ID (They're surprisingly plentiful,) and convert it oneself. As long as you don't care that it has cost a third to half the price of a real Chapron, you could end up with a fabulous car.

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