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    there has been a white, manual BX19 TRI on www.autotrader.com.au for some time now at a dealers called "Tony's Car Sales" in Footscray. As it's right on my train route I went and had a look on the way home yesterday.

    It's done 375,000 km but has a recon motor (apparently). The body work is good with just the obligitary stone chips on the bonnet and the clear coat almost gone on the spoiler. The interior is also suprisingly good with no tears or broken switchwork. Only glove box lid fell off when I opened it.

    The right hand indicator lens was missing (sitting on the passenger seat) and the right hand mirror surround was broken but the glass was still in the right place and therefore functional.

    It had those roller-blind thingies in the back window, which are an abomination but tends to point to it being owned by an older person and maybe not thrashed.

    The engine bay is clean, no obvious signs of dodgey brothers having got to it and nothing to prove or disprove the claim of having a recon motor. The LHM reservoir was at the right level and I couldn't spot any leaks. It looked like it had been sitting in the same place for some time if the dust on it was anything to go by.

    I didn't talk to the dealer at all so as not to look too keen. But, apart from the highish k's it looks like a possibility. On the web for $1500 but they had a $999 sticker on it.

    The rego is DKX-140. Anyone know something about its history?

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    Now $999 on the website. I've no idea of history.

    Oh, and don't you just hate the way trading post insists that you search by region and type of car? You can't just select 'Citroen' etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by pajamas
    Now $999 on the website. I've no idea of history.

    Oh, and don't you just hate the way trading post insists that you search by region and type of car? You can't just select 'Citroen' etc.
    Yes you can - easy. are you sure you are using www.autorader.com.au and not some other URL? It has drop down lists that let you jut select 'Citroen' in all states, which is what I do as people sometimes advertise without the model number.

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    Trevor,

    The rear blinds are standard on TRi's and TZi's

    The glove box lid can be refitted with two small brass hinges from Bunnings and you would never know.

    375k's is not a lot for a BX... we have a TRi in the family that has just clocked over 490,000klms and uses 500ml of oil every 5,000klms and has had no work on the engine apart from routine maintenance and a head gasket at 320k's!

    It's all to do with regular oil / filter and coolant changes.

    If the engine has been "reconditioned" there must be a receipt or something / someone to talk to about it otherwise it may as well have not happenned.

    More likely the timing belt snapped because it was not replaced and the damage had to be repaired accordingly.

    The key areas to look at and I'm sure there are more that others will add apart from the normal LHM / suspension operation checks:-

    Does it have coolant in it or just water? (No coolant only water then be concerned)
    Run the heater... any smells or leaks .. does it work (heater matrix and heater tap replacements are a pain and exepnsive)
    What are the rear arm bearings like? (Do the rear wheels sit paralel and at 90 degrees to the road or are they at an angle?)
    Are the sun roof drains blocked / Does sun roof work? Getting this sorted means taking out the head lining as this is the drip tray for the sun roof...!
    When was the timing belt last changed.. if it was done there should be some record.
    Does the AC work at all... (it probably wont cool but does it do anything / is it connected) as the BX has the best A/C system around. And has it been converted to run on R134 .. which shows that at some point it has had money spent on it.
    Do the fans come on as required (slow speed / fast speed)
    Check the condition of the fuel lines as the heat gets to them and they crack (leak!!!) Fresh or good condtion fuel lines is usually a sign the car has been looked after not just had an engine steam clean. (another sign is four matching and reasonable quality tyres rather than a mismatched set or worse still retreads )
    Clutches last for ever on BX's but they are not cheap to replace and gearboxes can suffer from worn linkages.
    Another tell tale sign of good maintenance is to check if the heat shield is still fitted at the bottom of the steering in the engine bay as a lot of people simply cant be bothered replacing it and not having one seriously degrades the surrounding components.

    Having said all that $1000.00 is not a lot of money for a clean, straight and tidy BX BUT beware because a bad one can very quickly chew up $3k before you know it.

    Walk in with $750 cash and I reckon it would be yours... :-)

    The up side is that it is a much more modern and powerful drive than a TRs.. the extra 300cc, the EFI and sundry engine management and the more modern (but less quirky) interior really make a TRi a generation ahead of a TRs in my oppinion.

    Then again there's a '96 Xantia on there for $4,500k...!!! If I was looking at adding a Cit it would NOT be a BX as much as I loive them .. they are all getting long in the tooth... and will all absorb copious $$$'s regardless if you DIY or have it done... I'd find the extra $ and look for a Xantia... a much more reliable, comfortable LONGER term daily driver... IMHO

    Good luck with it all...
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    Thanks Jack,

    I thought the rear blinds looked OEM, they were built into the shelf. (Still think they are dangerous and should be banned!)

    375 thou is still in the 20 thou/year range so I agree it's not excessive.

    Gear change was smooth and the clutch was firm but not heavy and was well adjusted. Tyres were ok and the same brand. It looked like a well used but cared for (if not lavishly) car.

    I didn't start it up or anything because I just wanted to appear casual. I won't have any money for a few weeks anyway. I'll see if it's still around and make a more determined investigation then.

    As very little, if anything, of my TRS is likely to be transferrable I will likely have to write it off. It's already cost me the best part of $5K all up but it's been a useful learning exercise. I never expected it to be 100% right. And then, the current leak may be the last detail to fix and I could have a very reliable car for some time. Who knows? It's all a bit of a lottery.

    My other option is to check out the other TRS advertised here in Melbourne. I've made no enquiries about its condition yet but if it checks out I could make it the 'real' car and strip the TRS in Adelaide for parts and donate what's left to U-Pullit. The rego is due in a fortnight too - maybe not worth renewing.

    The TRi is definitely the better car (on spec) but the TRS is adequate for what I do. And the Xantia just doesn't grab me though I'm sure they are a great car. Logic has a part to play, but the heart has the final say.

    Decisions, decisions.

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    Trevor,

    I know exactly how you feel... my TRi has been exactly the same... It got to the point where I poured way too much into it... and it still seemed to need stuff... but I kept at it and it's now done 40,000 trouble free and reliable klms... apart from needing a speedo cable... I wouldn't swap it for anything when it comes to a reliable and comfortable commuter... it just wouldn't be worth my while selling it....and when it does die I'll keep it for parts for our TZi that till has a lot of life left...!

    If you've already poured $5k into your TRs and it serves your needs then perhaps the addtional $$$'s a new car will cost you are better invested in the one you have... surely there can't be too much left after $5k

    I know it seems like you're better off just giving up.. but if the alternative is another 20 year old car then there will invariably be $$$'s needed on that one...as well

    I can't see a TRs going for $1,500.00 in a hurry... maybe you're better off contacting the TRs owner and giving him your details... and letting him know that when he really wants to sell it to give you a call and let you know how much he'll take... (and I'm thinkng $300.00 tops) Keep in mind it's an auto and apparently needs work also... there wont be too many people in a hurry to buy it.

    Keep in mind that there is a TRi 122 Auto on Drive in Melb with 195k asking $1,500.00 and of more relevance to you there's this one in Adelaide (on CarPoint):-

    Make CITROEN
    Model BX
    Series 16TRS
    Year 1986
    Colour SILVER
    Body type hatchback
    Transmission auto
    kms 179,000
    Miles 111,225
    Price $2,000
    Currency AUD
    Pricing Notes POA
    Reference Code CW5135018-25
    Stock Number 25
    Engine No. 1.6 LTR
    Registration No. UDS506
    vehicle description
    Air Conditioning Alloy wheels Central Locking Power windows ,
    dealer details
    Name Low Price Autos
    LMCT 177754
    Address 112 Main North Rd
    Suburb PROSPECT
    Post Code 5082
    Contact Phil Nanasi
    Phone (Bus.) 0883447124
    Phone (Mobile) 0418844429
    Fax 08 8344 9466

    Seems like a nice clean low klm example... maybe you'd be better off offering squeezing this dealer... and seeing what he'd take and having two TRS's in the stable to better recoup your investment...

    Keep it's all part of the joys of Citroen ownership... but when they're on song.. they are oh so sweet...!
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    IMO ...

    If your doing high milage ... Go the Xantia. They are basically just the same car underneath as a BX only are much better built. If you find a VSX 5spd 8valve what you'll have it a BX that's much better built, however weighs quite a bit more so it'll lose a little accelleration. It'll ride better and handle better. You have a car that'll be 10years younger, so just things like interior plastic degredation due to our sun should be 10years less.

    Failing that, if I wanted a reliable car that I would let my wife drive....

    --No slugomatics
    --No carbies
    --Air-con working .... a MUST.

    The BX19tri 5spd manual we have we took from 170,000 to 280,000kms without drama... All it got in that times was a starter and driveshaft. Really it cost bugger all to run. However I also allowed to to basically get run into the ground. The paint faded away, the plastic in it was utterly trashed, so when the clutch died at 280,000kms I just parked it up the back and got the Xantia. If it was a nice car with good interior and I would simply have chucked another clutch at it and kept driving for another 100,000+kms

    So IMO for trouble free motoring:

    --Xantia 8valve 5spd VSX ... There's not really a model I'd avoid...
    or
    --BX 8valve 5spd TRi/TZi ... Avoidl the 16valvers & autos

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Z
    Trevor,

    I can't see a TRs going for $1,500.00 in a hurry... maybe you're better off contacting the TRs owner and giving him your details... and letting him know that when he really wants to sell it to give you a call and let you know how much he'll take... (and I'm thinkng $300.00 tops) Keep in mind it's an auto and apparently needs work also... there wont be too many people in a hurry to buy it.
    Not sure which TRS your talking about here, the trading post one is asking $950. And $300 is about what I'd offer for it. It says it needs work for RWC, which can mean any number of things from totally stuffed to a blown indicator globe. I've not investigated yet, better to wait until I've got cash in hand and can check it out and make an offer in one go. RWC isn't an issue for me as I have a valid SA address and can register there if need be.

    I've asked about the TRi-122 on drive.com.au in another thread. Another auto but it has the factory sun roof (unlike the manual). It could be a nice car and I reckon I could get it easily for $1000.

    I was hoping to take a look at the $2000 TRS in Adelaide when I was there. I reckon that was the reason for the breakdown. I was coming past Stirling at about 8:30am and thought, "Hey, I've got time to nip over to Prospect and check out the other car I saw..." within seconds the Big Red Light came on and I was forced to take the Crafers exit and make a bee-line for Flagstaff Hill. About 10km of winding roads through the Adelaide Hills with no power steering. Pig of thing to get round corners but still better to drive than my ex's Hyundai Accent.
    Keep it's all part of the joys of Citroen ownership... but when they're on song.. they are oh so sweet...!
    Yes indeed.

    I've emailed Dave at FC to quote me on the parts I'm likely to need to fix the car in Adelaide. I might catch the train over this weekend with a suitcase full of stands, jacks and tools and have a really good look at what's leaking. I was a bit down the last couple of days but I'm coming out of that now and ready for another dose of punishment. (Still better than being married, same pain but I get something useful at the end!)

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    Trevor...

    I'm surprised Martin Bray can't help you with both the parts and repairs.

    I know he used to provide service as well as parts although that may have changed... but he would have infinitely more BX parts in stock than Dave would.

    Oh and the tirck is to replace the ex with one that loves Cit's

    Mine wont let me sell the GS and in fact wants to buy a 2cv.... that's what I call bliss!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    IMO ...
    --No slugomatics
    --No carbies
    --Air-con working .... a MUST.
    My TRS - auto, carbie, no air-con. None of which is a big issue for me, but the other way round would certainly be better.
    --Xantia 8valve 5spd VSX ... There's not really a model I'd avoid...
    or
    --BX 8valve 5spd TRi/TZi ... Avoidl the 16valvers & autos

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    Xantias are nice, no argument there, but they are a little too 'normal'. I've always been an afficionado of Bertone. The BX holds a special appeal for me that goes beyond logic. Part of my mid-life crisis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Z
    Trevor...

    I'm surprised Martin Bray can't help you with both the parts and repairs.

    I know he used to provide service as well as parts although that may have changed... but he would have infinitely more BX parts in stock than Dave would.
    Martin just does parts now. I got the LHM from him to try and trace the leak. He gave me the name of someone who could help with repairs but it's time I got my hands dirty. It doesn't matter what Dave has in stock, I can wait over week for the parts. I'm still in research mode at the moment, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlampre
    My TRS - auto, carbie, no air-con. None of which is a big issue for me, but the other way round would certainly be better.
    Xantias are nice, no argument there, but they are a little too 'normal'. I've always been an afficionado of Bertone. The BX holds a special appeal for me that goes beyond logic. Part of my mid-life crisis?
    Believe me, not too normal!! as a P plater discovered when I was almost home last Sunday after the long hot haul and I whistled around a bend in a range and almost ran over 'junior' in his F**d meaty whore (complete with cap assabout, no fear stickers and pretend boost gauge on the dash) slipping and sliding around this range and I came up on him so fast I almost Liberaced him. I didn't even see him ahead of me I caught him so quickly. Then to ad insult to injury, I went past and he disappeared into the sunset within a couple of minutes. In 900 klms fully loaded, only one car passed me and that was some clown in a Dunnydoor at the end of a divided lane who proceeded to go driving Miss Daisy so I went around him and there he stayed. They handle like an F1 car almost.
    Still love my BXs but I wouldn't walk away from a Xantia if one came along that suited.


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    Hi Alan,

    you and I have different driving styles, methinks. I lope along at about 5km under the limit, happily sit behind semi's until a passing lane comes along and generally ignore ricers and their ilk. I'll push it a bit on my favourite winding roads if there is no traffic but I'm also content to sit behind Ma'n'Pa and go into sight seeing mode instead.

    I like the Bertone style, and his protoge Guigario even more. They called it the 'folded-cardboard' style. If someone gave me a Xantia I'd take it, but I could say the same about a Toyota if it was free (not that proud!, and besides, I could always trade it in on a BX with some cash left over!)

    It's a pity I didn't find this forum until after getting the TRS, I could have clued myself up on things better before I went shopping. But hey, it's only money and the economics of car ownership is a bit like going to the casino. It's going to cost money either way and one persons waste is anothers adventure.

    To put it into perspective - Dad always wanted an MG TF. The closest he ever got was a Laser S, one of the squarish shaped ones. Not quite the same thing but he liked it. Both my parents are dead now, Dad died on the eve of his retirement just as they were planning to go on the Grand Adventure. Mum was devastated and wasted away for 12 years before she died.

    Gets a person to thinking. Do what suits me now, don't wait for the 'right moment' because it may never come.

    I live a fairly one dimensional life here in Melbourne. It's a nice city but it's not where I want to be so I'm not putting down roots. I live in a crappy but oh-so-cheap flat in West Footscray that I'd like to get away from on weekends as much as possible. Hence the desire for a car.

    The question right now is, invest more in the TRS or switch over to a TRi and probably spend a fair bit more money getting it sorted. Pro's and con's either way. The TRi I looked yesterday was far better that I expected. So I'm thinking evil thoughts about switching over. I was hoping someone here knew of the car in question.

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    I live 5 min from Prospect and think I know the yard in question, it is just near a longstanding Adelaide Pug dealer (they no longer have the Citroen dealership). My guess is that the BX was a trade in for a later Froggie and said longstanding dealer sold it down the food chain, either it was too down market for their image or they didn't want to be associated with it. I quite often see tired looking 406's along this strip.

    Outside chance I could look at it this weekend, will report back if I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sdabel
    I live 5 min from Prospect and think I know the yard in question, it is just near a longstanding Adelaide Pug dealer (they no longer have the Citroen dealership). My guess is that the BX was a trade in for a later Froggie and said longstanding dealer sold it down the food chain, either it was too down market for their image or they didn't want to be associated with it. I quite often see tired looking 406's along this strip.

    Outside chance I could look at it this weekend, will report back if I do.

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    That would be much appreciated.

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    You do know that there is a great Citroen Mechanic in Stirling don't you? Do a search for Leif Hughs

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