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    Hey im a peugeot owner (306 s16), And i dont know anything at all about cits. I was wondering if there are any sporty models comparable to the s16/gti6 in the citroen range?


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    the only car in the citroen range that is comparable/same size/era of the s16/gti6, is the xsara vts.

    same underpinning/engine as gti-6 but with one less forward gear.

    some of you citroen weirdos might want to elaborate on this very accomplished car!

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    Hehe cool, theres so many tho? Which ones are the 'sporty' types? Theres the Xsara vts, vtr, some kinda sportiff variation? Xantia? Ive searched around the site for specs but didnt find anything? Can anyone point me in the right direction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Go306
    Hehe cool, theres so many tho? Which ones are the 'sporty' types? Theres the Xsara vts, vtr, some kinda sportiff variation? Xantia? Ive searched around the site for specs but didnt find anything? Can anyone point me in the right direction?
    the xsara vtr is the bread and butter model of the xsara range. xantia? 2.0 turbs and v6, but both are one size bigger than said range. same could be said of the bx 16v which i think ended in '94?

    i think most of the citroenphiles are already in bed, or are too busy watching re-runs of angela lansbry in murder she wrote, on foxtel!
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    Yes there was the Xsara VTS. Xsara was based on the 306 and the VTS shares the same engine as the GTi6. I owned one, fabulous car to drive, and a fabulous donk under the hood.

    The VTR is "base" model Xsara that they sold here. The Sportif was some sort of limited edition Xsara VTR they sold here, with Sportif badging and alloys.

    There is also the C4 VTS, which has the 206 GTi180 donk. Goes well, but IMO not as well as the Xsara VTS. The hefty kerb weight blunts the performance of the somewhat peaky GTi180 engine a bit. But it does look swish inside and out.

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    Well Im stumped ever since Poogeo took over a real car company everythings a blur from here
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    Quote Originally Posted by pugjet
    i think most of the citroenphiles are already in bed, or are too busy watching re-runs of angela lansbry in murder she wrote, on foxtel!
    Bugger! Was Murder She Wrote on last night??? I was in bed already. Just kidding!

    Sorry I can't tell you about the new ones. My Cit knowledge stops at around 1975.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Go306
    Hey im a peugeot owner (306 s16), And i dont know anything at all about cits. I was wondering if there are any sporty models comparable to the s16/gti6 in the citroen range?
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    Down a particularly fun road at some rediculous speed... Probably not quite as fast as the Gti, Gti6 or Gti180 but they can be...
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    This one is easy peasy ....

    We have:

    --Maserati powered SM's ...
    --CX 2500 GTi Turbo's


    Hmmmmmmmmm..... I think that's where Citroens ended isn't it

    Ok, ok , ok ....

    Maybe:

    --24valve V6 XM
    --BX 16valvers

    Cars without upsy downsy suspension that are designed after 1970 just aren't really Citroens ... there rebadged poogoes eg: The berlingo ... why didn't they at least make it's arse end self leveling hydraulic

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    My mate chris's father has just bought a 24v xantia v6, which I'm told has a speed limiter in it set to 155mph!!!!!
    I think that just about blows just about blows our turbo cars into next
    week eh shane?
    Even Chris's BX16v would struggle, and not surprisingly, he's considering either a V6 engine transplant, or a turbo diesel gearbox!!!
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    Well, Shane is back from hols........
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    Quote Originally Posted by smiffy1071
    My mate chris's father has just bought a 24v xantia v6, which I'm told has a speed limiter in it set to 155mph!!!!!
    I think that just about blows just about blows our turbo cars into next
    week eh shane?
    Even Chris's BX16v would struggle, and not surprisingly, he's considering either a V6 engine transplant, or a turbo diesel gearbox!!!
    john s
    Not sure ... we only got the slugomatics out here ... and they aren't fast

    Top speed is pointless out here, what is good is effortless accelleration between 80-120km/h for overtaking. A 24valve V6 with a proper gearbox would be good, however with a deisel gearbox it's going to be a dog of a thing to drive at 98km/h.

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    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


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    One sporty Cit not mentioned that we missed out on here was the Saxo VTS (basically a Pug 106). It has been often said that this car was a hoot to drive.

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    Hey guys..........have we missed something??

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    Hey wait a min wasnt there a BX 4WD turbo around then an how about a 700 horsepower Xantia 0-100 in 2.55sec
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    Quote Originally Posted by zykyra
    Hey guys..........have we missed something??

    http://carpoint.ninemsn.com.au/porta...opDefault.aspx
    They said they revised the gearbox, but it's still a sensodrive.

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    I'm surprised that Uga Boga hasn't had his worth here yet

    I think the Xsara VTS is the only 'sporty' Citroen in recent years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Not sure ... we only got the slugomatics out here ... and they aren't fast

    Shane L.
    Weren't all Xantia V6s Autos?? the "Auto-Adaptive" gearbox? I know the early ones were over here.

    Our V6 went like a rocket, switch it to sport mode and it'd keep up with most 'sporty' stuff over here. 194 bhp, the same as a CX Turbo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WESTON89
    Weren't all Xantia V6s Autos?? the "Auto-Adaptive" gearbox? I know the early ones were over here.

    Our V6 went like a rocket, switch it to sport mode and it'd keep up with most 'sporty' stuff over here. 194 bhp, the same as a CX Turbo.

    Dom
    The CX turbo, is only 168bhp!!!! Unless of course you are lucky enough to have a maikronics kit, then you get 230bhp!!! john s
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    Quote Originally Posted by smiffy1071
    The CX turbo, is only 168bhp!!!! Unless of course you are lucky enough to have a maikronics kit, then you get 230bhp!!! john s
    That's what I used to think, however I now think it's closer to the 194 figure. 194 bhp is what the white Turbo you saw we had, puts out after being put on the rolling road, and from our knowledge and the inspections at the test centre, the car hadn't been messed around with. And after thinking about it, when Citroen put the Turbo 2 intercooler on that should definitely had an effect on the original 168. And 20 - 30 hp more sounds about right for and new intercooler of that sort. So I think Citroen just didn't change the figures for the Turbo 2 from the Series 2 Turbo 1. The Series 1 Turbos are definitely slower than the Series 2s, and they too are quoted at 168.

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    Right, that does it! I think a little trip upto Hull, when I get the car on the road, to see mr CGAT!!!! 500bhp here we commmmmmmmmmmmmeeeee!!!
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    Now that is a sporty Cit.

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