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    Today ( an yesterday) we ripped the heart out of my Dads super an to my horror i found this
    obviously lack of coolant but never seen that happen before then they are 30-35+ years old
    would anyone have a bottom end they dont use?
    and can this be fixed,welded or somthin........

    Dan

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    Default Engine weep

    That looks bad, and expensive!
    What is the rest of the car like?

    I'm the first to see your post and I have no expertise
    with Citroens - (disclaimer)
    I have worked on several cast-iron blocks to rebuild them (wet & dry sleeve)

    Forget nostalgia and get a good second-hand replacement.
    If you can, get a whole motor from a contact here (presumably with a bit of history/knowledge as to its condition) or get one from a wrecker-possibly with a guarantee.

    It will cost $$$ to cast iron weld, and to be sure, the motor would need to be stripped anyway. If it is repaired, how can you be confident of it's future reliability?

    If you replace the motor, at least you can save the internals for future use or flog them.
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    I have a DSpecial with the head off it whose block you can have (still fitted to very rusty car.

    My father may also have a couple of DSpecial motors (maybe even a 21). All unknown entitys but I'm sure he'd sell/donate one. Biggest problem is were in Ballarat. They are VERY BLOODY HEAVY, so it would need to be couriered by a courier with a crane to lift it around/in/out of trucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    I have a DSpecial with the head off it whose block you can have (still fitted to very rusty car.

    My father may also have a couple of DSpecial motors (maybe even a 21). All unknown entitys but I'm sure he'd sell/donate one. Biggest problem is were in Ballarat. They are VERY BLOODY HEAVY, so it would need to be couriered by a courier with a crane to lift it around/in/out of trucks.

    seeya,
    Shane L.

    Thank you Shane!

    I ve been up to my eye brows in 32 years of grease prepn just the engine bay(an theres still more )i need some POR 15 to,next i will strip the engine down and see what what but I think this engine has to go

    can you tell me a bit about your 21 engine?

    thanks
    Dan
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    I'm sure that could be welded......john s
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    All I know is they have been sitting in the shed for years. I'm seem to remember one was from a DS21 ... Most certainly is would have been *very* tired as I seem to remember that one being somehow left at a local private school by one of it's staff members after they did an engine change in the school grounds while the school was on holidays ( ) I'm sure they will all be very tired. The DS 2.0 litres will be your best option as DS21 liner/piston sets are hens teeth. Apparantly the liner sets you can find are very low quality aftermarket one that are not worth rebuilding an engine with.

    I only have the Dspecial block, I'll have to chat with my father (who is away at the moment) and see what he exactly has down there.

    seeya,
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    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


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    They are VERY BLOODY HEAVY, so it would need to be couriered by a courier with a crane to lift it around/in/out of trucks.

    seeya,
    Shane L.[/QUOTE]

    Best way to move them is strap/wire to a good hardwood pallet. Then they can be moved easily with a forklift. Get it to a transport depot & ship it depot to depot. Cheap & easy. That way when pSvennson goes to collect it they can fork it on to his trailer & he can use his engine hoist to get it off at home.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    All I know is they have been sitting in the shed for years. I'm seem to remember one was from a DS21 ... Most certainly is would have been *very* tired as I seem to remember that one being somehow left at a local private school by one of it's staff members after they did an engine change in the school grounds while the school was on holidays ( ) I'm sure they will all be very tired. The DS 2.0 litres will be your best option as DS21 liner/piston sets are hens teeth. Apparantly the liner sets you can find are very low quality aftermarket one that are not worth rebuilding an engine with.

    I only have the Dspecial block, I'll have to chat with my father (who is away at the moment) and see what he exactly has down there.

    seeya,
    Shane L.

    That would be cool if you could PM me when you Dad gets back

    thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by PSvensson
    Today ( an yesterday) we ripped the heart out of my Dads super an to my horror i found this
    obviously lack of coolant but never seen that happen before then they are 30-35+ years old
    would anyone have a bottom end they dont use?
    and can this be fixed,welded or somthin........

    Dan
    Exactly this happened to a friend of mine years ago in a CX. Makes you wonder what was used for coolant - Coca Cola or white wine vinegar!!! And for how long was it used?

    Bad luck.
    JohnW

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW
    Exactly this happened to a friend of mine years ago in a CX. Makes you wonder what was used for coolant - Coca Cola or white wine vinegar!!! And for how long was it used?

    Bad luck.

    Well its been used for 33 years
    it did live in singapore for 2 years
    1970 ID20 SUPER
    1971 DS21 IE non PALLAS,5 Spd
    1973 DS20 SUPER Singapore model but now an Aust resident(Rebuilding)
    Late 1994 Xantia VSX 5speed (for sale)
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