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    Hi all

    Am maybe about to add a citroen to the Renault this week, and just had a few questions on a particular car.

    It's a '95 VSX manual 144k. There are only 2 apparent problems - the deck part of the hatch has faded badly, and the tailights also have - the rest looks great however.

    Is the tailgate plastic? Do I just get it resprayed? Anyone got a rough idea of cost? ( it's metallic silver)

    Also the tailights are roadworthy, they just look a bit tatty. Can I get them polished or something or should I just replace them?

    And oh yeah, does the Hydro ever make soft clunk sounds?

    Thanks, I have enjoyed reading all the great advice on the Cit forum which seems nearly as good as the Renault one!

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    All Xantia do the faded hatch bit. This one has obviously spent much time garaged and not in the sun to have lasted this long.

    It cost about $200bux from memory to get mine resprayed. They did a very good job and I can't pick it from the rest of the car. It's a deep metalic blue so would be quite difficult to match.

    Tail lights may not be faded. compare them to others, they have orange light globes (I think) so were never an orange colour.

    The rear of the car should be *really* soft, you can easily push it to it's bumpstops with one hand, the front will be firm. Backing down drives over the gutter lip can cause slight clunks, this will most likely be the anti-roll bar droplinks, on mine I can't hear them in them when going in the foward direction so I'm not concerned (there is cheap fixes around for this anyway).

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    Quote Originally Posted by leithant
    Hi all

    Am maybe about to add a citroen to the Renault this week, and just had a few questions on a particular car.

    It's a '95 VSX manual 144k. There are only 2 apparent problems - the deck part of the hatch has faded badly, and the tailights also have - the rest looks great however.

    Is the tailgate plastic? Do I just get it resprayed? Anyone got a rough idea of cost? ( it's metallic silver)

    Also the tailights are roadworthy, they just look a bit tatty. Can I get them polished or something or should I just replace them?

    And oh yeah, does the Hydro ever make soft clunk sounds?

    Thanks, I have enjoyed reading all the great advice on the Cit forum which seems nearly as good as the Renault one!
    Rear hatch is a compound plastic, just get it resprayed...

    Tailights will polish up - I've used a plastic polish by Novus, you may get it at a automotive store (Super Cheap/ Auto Barn) if not try one of the plastic suppliers like Mulford Plastics, Cadilac Plastics, York.

    The hydraulic accumulator cycles with a soft click sound, may be what you are hearing??

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    Didn't expect a reply at this time of night!

    That's good the owner said he was quoted about $200, so that's pretty cheap.

    I've attached a pic of the lights.

    As you can see they are quite cloudy.

    Thanks guys.
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    Is that cloudiness inside or outside the lens?
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    On the outside, I think.

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    Easy to test; just paint a bit of Armourall on them and see what happens.
    Cits can do some strange things with tail light lenses. On some BX16Vs, they have 'smokey' coloured, on others it's an opaque green that you'd swear was like a moss growing inside the reversing lights, so much so that I'm aware of one new owner a few years back who put a few drops of Sno-white in some soapy water and let it soak in there in an attempt to wash it off.
    Incidentally, I have to wonder why all Xantias get this faded boot look; maybe insufficient primer on the assembly line?????



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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenBlood
    Rear hatch is a compound plastic, just get it resprayed...
    I was under the impression that the hatch on the Xantia was fibreglass, not plastic. On my mums one which has had a few knocks on the hatch (including a big dent on the inside where the door has obviously been slammed on an object) it definately breaks and deforms like fibreglass, not plastic. I've heard that it also has a mica surface for the paint, and that repainting it is a specialist job involving very special primers and paints, which some places wont touch...

    Tailights will polish up - I've used a plastic polish by Novus, you may get it at a automotive store (Super Cheap/ Auto Barn) if not try one of the plastic suppliers like Mulford Plastics, Cadilac Plastics, York.
    As strange as it may sound, some plastics respond very well to oil. My Dad has used ordinary Safflour oil on things like the black strips along the middle of the doors, and the trim along below the windows etc that were faded and hazy looking, and they immediately respond, even the metalic strip along the middle of the black strips on the doors comes up shiny when no amount of normal cleaning will do anything. It probably only applies to plastics that have a pourous surface though, so may not work on tail lights.

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    I've heard that it also has a mica surface for the paint, and that repainting it is a specialist job involving very special primers and paints, which some places wont touch...
    If you take the paint code number from under the bonnet and take it to any Auto paint seller. you'll find that it is just an ordinary 2 pack but if you don't want to get poisoned during use, they can make it up in an acrylic.
    Given the number of faded boot lids, I can't see the point of sticking with the 2 pack as IMO it would appear to be a case that due to the thickness and density of the lid it seems to cook the paint from underneath and obviously 2 pack paints (which have a few strange characteristics) seem to degrade from the inside out in these instances.
    The reason that some painters don't get too involved in 2 pack work is that they usually have to be dressed up like Astronauts complete with breathing gear and paint in specialised rooms. It is also a case that to touch in 2 pack requires a complete panel to be painted as it won't feather in to the existing serviceable paintwork. Micas are usually used to "colour flip" pearlescents.


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    thanks again,

    I actually haven't purchased the car yet - I'm trying to factor in various costs hense whether I' need to replace the rear lights. Anyone know how much they can be had for?

    As for the rear deck - is that why they often have a shade over them.

    (the spoiler)

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    The rear deck is a strange one, I can only assume they didn't prepare the hatch properly at the factory. Once painted you will not have any more issues.

    As for painting the plastic, it's simply not an issue with modern paints. It's not a 'soft' plastic as such so you shouldn't even need pastic additives in the paint.

    Every bumper, mirror, trim made is painted without a problem, the BX has a bonnet and hatch that's painted plastic too ... No problems... It appears to be a Xantia production line specific problem that should not return once fixed (otherwise we'd have every car bumper out there with crazing paint after a few years ).

    I'd DEFINATLY get it done profesionally for $200bux using 2pack. The paint is vastly supperiior to Acrylic and will last eons longer (and look 'right'). However if the car was just an old 'banger' I'd probaby paint it with acrylic myself to save the $$$. However the paint will never look the same as the 2pack.

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    Out Xantia is 10 years old, silver (Gris Quartz to be specific), spent most of its daytime life outside and the rear deck is fine. Has been hand washed with water only and generally waxed 6 monthly on average. It was a Mid-1995 build.
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    Brasso works a treat on shining up plastics like polycarbonate/perspex headlight protectors etc. Should work on taillights. However my Xantia has smokey indicator lenses that are bright orange when flashing. I did once paint the insides of some Peugeot 504 front indicator lenses to make them more orange. Used a Tamiya model car painting product that is for exactly the same purpose on model cars. Worked perfectly & got a RWC without buying new lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixie
    Out Xantia is 10 years old, silver (Gris Quartz to be specific), spent most of its daytime life outside and the rear deck is fine. Has been hand washed with water only and generally waxed 6 monthly on average. It was a Mid-1995 build.
    Strange, when (probably not if) it start there will be a tiny crazed patch about the size of a 5cent piece. Once it's started it'll rapidly spread across the whole hatch.

    If you hadn't owned the car from new my guess would have been it had already been fixed. Maybe silvers last a lot better than the blues ??

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