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    Did you know...? (FACT):

    Andrew Citroen designed the steering mechanism in 1909 on The Titanic. He was a genious...... If only the Captain wasnt trying to break a trans-atlantic record.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide Perinet
    Did you know...? (FACT):

    Andrew Citroen designed the steering mechanism in 1909 on The Titanic. He was a genious...... If only the Captain wasnt trying to break a trans-atlantic record.
    Andrew Citroen being the Scottish distant cousin of AndrŤ and part time whisky maker.

    It's a pity he did not also invent an antidote for weedy warbling Canadian singers and people who cannot get used to:

    "The ship sank - GET OVER IT!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide Perinet
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    Andrew Citroen designed the steering mechanism in 1909 on The Titanic. He was a genious...... If only the Captain wasnt trying to break a trans-atlantic record.
    Was it actually Andre who personally designed it? Not saying you're wrong but find it a bit curious.
    My reason for asking is that I read his biography by John Reynolds a few years ago (Andre Citroen: The man and the motor cars I think it was called).
    One of the things that came through very strongly in the book is that whilst he was a brilliant industrialist, he generally wasn't a hands on engineer or at the sharp end of the vehicle design process (and curiously enough, rarely drove a car). Rather than being a great inventor, he had a talent for adapting improvements in vehicle design to mass production, and an understanding of what the consumer wanted or needed in their vehicles.

    For example the Traction was a huge leap forward in vehicle design and manufacture in many areas but Andre was greatly influenced by Budds methods of vehicle body design and FWD IIRC too. Citroens use of 'Floating Power' engine mounts is another case in point which I believe was a Chrysler? patent. Even the company's original start in manufacturing the famous double helical gears wasn't Andre's brainwave. As I recall he encountered it whilst visiting his sister in Poland and purchased the rights (as he could see the potential it had). Rather than being a great designer he was brilliant at recognising the potential of new ideas and efficiently manufacturing them. BTW I found the copy of the above text I read at a local library (but if anyone has one they don't need I would be happy to buy it for a reasonable price).

    Would be interested to know more about Andre's connection with the ship (as long as it doesn't involve Celine Dion).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett R
    Was it actually Andre who personally designed it? Not saying you're wrong but find it a bit curious.
    My reason for asking is that I read his biography by John Reynolds a few years ago (Andre Citroen: The man and the motor cars I think it was called).
    One of the things that came through very strongly in the book is that whilst he was a brilliant industrialist, he generally wasn't a hands on engineer or at the sharp end of the vehicle design process (and curiously enough, rarely drove a car). Rather than being a great inventor, he had a talent for adapting improvements in vehicle design to mass production, and an understanding of what the consumer wanted or needed in their vehicles.

    For example the Traction was a huge leap forward in vehicle design and manufacture in many areas but Andre was greatly influenced by Budds methods of vehicle body design and FWD IIRC too. Citroens use of 'Floating Power' engine mounts is another case in point which I believe was a Chrysler? patent. Even the company's original start in manufacturing the famous double helical gears wasn't Andre's brainwave. As I recall he encountered it whilst visiting his sister in Poland and purchased the rights (as he could see the potential it had). Rather than being a great designer he was brilliant at recognising the potential of new ideas and efficiently manufacturing them. BTW I found the copy of the above text I read at a local library (but if anyone has one they don't need I would be happy to buy it for a reasonable price).

    Would be interested to know more about Andre's connection with the ship (as long as it doesn't involve Celine Dion).
    It's a very good book and still available. Try www.biblioz.com for example and you might find a secondhand copy.
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    The Pitstop Bookshop in Perth has the "Andre Citroen. The Man and the Motorcars" book. Special price $16.95. Was $44.95. www.pitstop.net.au

    PS. If you had any connection with the ill fated "Titanic" would you be leaving record of involvement with the steering design?

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    Yes is it is good book, and helps set the scene for some of the companys later achievements. Thanks heaps for the tip regarding the bookshop, that's an excellent price - I'll give them a call on Monday.
    Cheers,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brett R
    Yes is it is good book, and helps set the scene for some of the companys later achievements. Thanks heaps for the tip regarding the bookshop, that's an excellent price - I'll give them a call on Monday.
    Cheers,
    Brett,

    They have a good website - you can order on line and their service is excellent. It's one of the best motoring bookshops in Australia from what I've seen (most but not all).

    The Citroen book is a "must have" I reckon. What a fascinating man. Non-smoking factory in the 1920s with a maternity clinic for female employees is but one pair of his innovations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW
    Brett,

    They have a good website - you can order on line and their service is excellent. It's one of the best motoring bookshops in Australia from what I've seen (most but not all).

    The Citroen book is a "must have" I reckon. What a fascinating man. Non-smoking factory in the 1920s with a maternity clinic for female employees is but one pair of his innovations.

    Cheers
    Thanks guys for the tip re the bookshop, I rang them Monday and they're sending me over a copy. It's been a few years since I last read a public library copy of this text so I'm looking forward to another read. Andre wasn't perfect, by any means, but he was surely a visionary who repeatedly raised the bar for his competitors and their products. If you've not had a chance to read this publication, as John says, it's a 'must have', and even in paperback, at $16.95 it's a bargain!
    Cheers,

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