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    I'm looking at replacing the rear spheres on my non hydractive Xantia. I'm a bit of a DIYer but recognise my limitations. The Haynes describes a simple renewal process. Are there any traps for the unwary? Will a simple oil filter strap wrench be up to the task or do I need a special cit. tool?

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    It'll make it easier if you have some ramps you can put the car up on.

    It should be easy:

    --put back of car on ramps
    --apply handbrake
    --select 'low' suspension position
    --loosen ONLY BY HALF A TURN the regualor bleed screw
    --I just use a strap wrench on the spheres... If there really tight I used a chisel (solid thumps will always move something that horendous amounts of rotational force will not move).

    If it's REALLY TIGHT ... You can twist the suspension cylinder tearing the hydraulic lines off... If this is the case (unlikely unless you have had a fool that tightened the spheres tighter than hand tight)..

    --Put suspension on HIGH
    --loosen a fraction of a turn DO NOT UNSCREW
    --select low, depressurise system and unscrew with you hand.

    warning If the sphere is still difficult to turn even after you have loosened it slightly DO NOT CONTINUE TO REMOVE. There is still hydraulic pressure there. Release the pressure first

    Really it should be simple !! Give it a bash.

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    PS: Here's the link from when I did my VSX.

    changing xantia spheres
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    Thanks, Shane. I knew that pair of ramps I picked up off the street the day before the council clean up a few weeks ago would come in handy. I'll have a look see on the weekend & if it all looks doable order some spheres in from Dapco up here in Sinny.
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    It'll make it easier if you have some ramps you can put the car up on.

    It should be easy:

    --put back of car on ramps
    --apply handbrake
    --select 'low' suspension position
    --loosen ONLY BY HALF A TURN the regualor bleed screw
    --I just use a strap wrench on the spheres... If there really tight I used a chisel (solid thumps will always move something that horendous amounts of rotational force will not move).

    If it's REALLY TIGHT ... You can twist the suspension cylinder tearing the hydraulic lines off... If this is the case (unlikely unless you have had a fool that tightened the spheres tighter than hand tight)..

    --Put suspension on HIGH
    --loosen a fraction of a turn DO NOT UNSCREW
    --select low, depressurise system and unscrew with you hand.

    warning If the sphere is still difficult to turn even after you have loosened it slightly DO NOT CONTINUE TO REMOVE. There is still hydraulic pressure there. Release the pressure first

    Really it should be simple !! Give it a bash.

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    PS: Here's the link from when I did my VSX.

    changing xantia spheres[/QUOTE]

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    Kellyo, grab on of these from your local Super-Cheap

    >>> DS Spheres.. "Get a Grip". <<<

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by kellyo
    I'm looking at replacing the rear spheres on my non hydractive Xantia.
    Where did you get your replacement spheres?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    It'll make it easier if you have some ramps you can put the car up on.

    It should be easy:

    --put back of car on ramps
    --apply handbrake
    --select 'low' suspension position
    --loosen ONLY BY HALF A TURN the regualor bleed screw
    --I just use a strap wrench on the spheres... If there really tight I used a chisel (solid thumps will always move something that horendous amounts of rotational force will not move).

    If it's REALLY TIGHT ... You can twist the suspension cylinder tearing the hydraulic lines off... If this is the case (unlikely unless you have had a fool that tightened the spheres tighter than hand tight)..

    --Put suspension on HIGH
    --loosen a fraction of a turn DO NOT UNSCREW
    --select low, depressurise system and unscrew with you hand.

    warning If the sphere is still difficult to turn even after you have loosened it slightly DO NOT CONTINUE TO REMOVE. There is still hydraulic pressure there. Release the pressure first

    Really it should be simple !! Give it a bash.

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    PS: Here's the link from when I did my VSX.

    changing xantia spheres
    Shane,

    this link is really useful, thank you for posting it.

    One question - how did you test the pressures on the spheres - can you buy testing equipment anywhere? Am in Canberra so club equipment a bit difficult to access.

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    Do you have anyone that regasses spheres in Canberra ?? Most (welll all) regassers should first test your sphere pressures for free and only regass them if required.

    I've just made my own sphere tester... They are quite simple if you have a parts car

    sphere tester

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    'Cit' homepage:
    Citroen Workshop
    Proper cars--
    '85 Series II CX2500 GTi Turbo I
    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


    Modern Junk:
    '07 Poogoe 407 HDi 6spd manual

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    re the ramps that you picked up in the council clean up - no doubt that you have checked them over for strength.
    I reckon that heavy duty ramps are a really good long term investment for safety.


    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Do you have anyone that regasses spheres in Canberra ?? Most (welll all) regassers should first test your sphere pressures for free and only regass them if required.

    I've just made my own sphere tester... They are quite simple if you have a parts car

    sphere tester

    seeya,
    Shane L.

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    [Thanks, Shane. Ive joined CCC NSW & will have a go with some guidance.

    It should be easy:

    --put back of car on ramps
    --apply handbrake
    --select 'low' suspension position
    --loosen ONLY BY HALF A TURN the regualor bleed screw
    --I just use a strap wrench on the spheres... If there really tight I used a chisel (solid thumps will always move something that horendous amounts of rotational force will not move).

    If it's REALLY TIGHT ... You can twist the suspension cylinder tearing the hydraulic lines off... If this is the case (unlikely unless you have had a fool that tightened the spheres tighter than hand tight)..

    --Put suspension on HIGH
    --loosen a fraction of a turn DO NOT UNSCREW
    --select low, depressurise system and unscrew with you hand.

    warning If the sphere is still difficult to turn even after you have loosened it slightly DO NOT CONTINUE TO REMOVE. There is still hydraulic pressure there. Release the pressure first

    Really it should be simple !! Give it a bash.

    seeya,
    Shane L.
    PS: Here's the link from when I did my VSX.

    changing xantia spheres[/QUOTE]

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    thanks, Chris.

    Kellyo, grab on of these from your local Super-Cheap

    >>> DS Spheres.. "Get a Grip". <<<

    Cheers
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    Dapco up here 02 95345388 say they have newies in stock at about $75 a sphere + $8 p&h no matter how many you buy. Xantias are made in China under licence so I think many of the parts may be originating from there now.I'm going to check whether they'll take a regas first.
    Where did you get your replacement spheres?


    regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    warning If the sphere is still difficult to turn even after you have loosened it slightly DO NOT CONTINUE TO REMOVE. There is still hydraulic pressure there. Release the pressure first
    hehe I did this once and got flayed with green stuff all over me - ala ghostbusters

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