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    The "story" goes (no idea if this is true).
    A woman rented a Citroen C4 in Budapest from the rental company Sixt.
    She drove with the car from Budapest to Pťcs (approx. 220km!!!!), but only in the 1st gear, she thought it was an automatic gear shift!!!!
    Attached the photos from the insurance accessor (it is the motor and the engine bonnet!!) Unbelievable.....
    Another version of the story goes:
    CIWA [a CitroŽn repair shop in Budapest, Hungary] took in a [CitroŽn] C4 from SIXT [rental car company]. The car was rented by an American. The idiot thought it was an automatic and drove to Pťcs [a city roughly 200km south-southwest of Budapest] at 70-80km/h [43-50mph]! The car burned Ė the engine, the transmission, everything burned, and a huge hole burned through the hood! Damn it, they really are the stupidest people on Earth [common Euro sentiment]! Didnít he hear the noise? Didnít he notice it wasnít pulling? Didnít he see that it isnít shifting? Automatics indicate which gear theyíre in, and even if itís not continuously variable, you can feel it shift. Didnít he notice it smelled terrible? It still stinks, even though it has already cooled down! If I hadnít seen it, I wouldnít have believed it!
    Even if both stories are false, the pictures are NOT pretty.

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    Do they say if she was a blonde?


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    If it ain't broke, use a 12" shifter.....that usually does the trick!!

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    That looks like my engine bay
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    That looks like my engine bay
    Looks like it was a 1.4L 16V or 1.6L 16V motor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    Looks like it was a 1.4L 16V or 1.6L 16V motor.

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    Yeah, i think i have more plastic around my engine bay Everything is covered in plastic!
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    I'm extremly impressed it got a chance to get that hot without seizing or throwing a rod first. Tough little motor.

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    Surely people arent that stupid, thats incredible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XTC
    The "story" goes (no idea if this is true). Another version of the story goes:Even if both stories are false, the pictures are NOT pretty.
    What I find odd is how this person managed to move the car off without realising it was a manual.

    1. You need to use the clutch to move off - driving auto style by holding the brake and then moving the gearstick would simply stall the car.

    2. The gearstick motion in a manual is quite different to that of an auto. You have to push forward to get into first gear from neutral, whereas you generally pull back to get into drive from park in an auto.

    Even if the car was left in gear, generally first gear, you wouldn't expect the car to move off without drama - it'd probably stall.

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    really just looks like it had a fire

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    Quote Originally Posted by BalleR
    Surely people arent that stupid, thats incredible.
    Americans are and even more so, just look at the calibre of their elected officals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pug307
    What I find odd is how this person managed to move the car off without realising it was a manual.

    1. You need to use the clutch to move off - driving auto style by holding the brake and then moving the gearstick would simply stall the car.

    2. The gearstick motion in a manual is quite different to that of an auto. You have to push forward to get into first gear from neutral, whereas you generally pull back to get into drive from park in an auto.

    Even if the car was left in gear, generally first gear, you wouldn't expect the car to move off without drama - it'd probably stall.
    I get the impression it was Senslesstronic so they just left it in first thinking it was changing gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kermit
    Americans are and even more so, just look at the calibre of their elected officals.
    So true!

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    I cant believe that. Thats scary. Looks like the C3 1.4 engine to me.

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    Wouldnt it have been bouncing off the rev limiter? Would have been one uncomfortable drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney
    I cant believe that. Thats scary. Looks like the C3 1.4 engine to me.
    It would have been a mere trot up the garden path for your average Renault 19

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    If you guys watched the "Amazing Race" season 2, a manual VW Touareg 4x4 were given to the participants to drive. 2 stupid American girls who don't know how to use a stick stalled and re-started it, maybe 10 times every stoplight. And they drove it in first gear for 50 miles. Amazing that a V8 4x4 can take this torture, but a C4, nah.

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    I've heard a similar story in the past about an American in a Mercedes - I suspect it is an urban myth
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    Quote Originally Posted by ColinHarry
    I've heard a similar story in the past about an American in a Mercedes - I suspect it is an urban myth
    Should we get MythBusters to test it then?
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    Isn't it fairly obvious a myth? And of course another excuse to abuse the Americans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wouter
    Isn't it fairly obvious a myth? And of course another excuse to abuse the Americans.
    Somehow I suspect a C4 wouldn't reach 80km/h in first gear - that'd take it past the redline!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wouter
    Isn't it fairly obvious a myth? And of course another excuse to abuse the Americans.
    Do we need an excuse?
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    Come on people, this has "marketing spin" stamped all over it. I'd put money on the story being more like this.Tourist rents car, car catches fire through engine fault, tourist threatens to sue car company/hire company,pain & suffering,mental anguish yada yada yada, car company/hire company appease tourist with cash, then car company spin doctors put out urban myth about bad drivers & cruelty to things "automobile",but what a tough little car. Sales go up through support for local product and general dislike of "automobile" drivers. And people tell me I'm a cynic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dom19
    Come on people, this has "marketing spin" stamped all over it.
    I have to agree with this. Stop and think this through. Do you really think an aluminium-alloy engine can get hot enough to melt a hole in a steel bonnet without itself seizing?

    This has to be the result of an engine-bay fire caused by either an electrical or fuel system fault/failure. It cannot be a result of plain old overheating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by graham66
    really just looks like it had a fire
    Agreed.
    This looks just like fire damage.
    Only recently I extinguished an engine fire in a furd pucas, [sic]. (hose and bare feet @ 03:00 Hrs.

    Even a small fire will result in the flame retardant plastics turning into goo.

    The fire in the furd was started with a can of WD40 and lighter. The capillary tube was aimed into the grill and lit, spraying flaming butane and lube into the engine bay. End of hire car, start of litigation. (Hire Company put entire cost of replacement car on hirerís credit card until the insurance can be sorted).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gamma
    The fire in the furd was started with a can of WD40 and lighter. The capillary tube was aimed into the grill and lit, spraying flaming butane and lube into the engine bay. End of hire car, start of litigation.
    That is just nasty, clever but nasty. Anyone seen this before (I know cars they have been burnt out but for entirely different reasons).
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    (Hire Company put entire cost of replacement car on hirerís credit card until the insurance can be sorted).
    Hence the reason you always give them one with a very small limit on it .. do this for hotels etc as well ... they can charge your proper card later. Never hand over a Diners or Amex (these are unlimited for many people).

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