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    Default Xsara 2002 VTS coupe - Really Heavy Clutch

    Hi all,

    just a quick question.

    I took a Xsara that i am interested in buying for a test drive recently, and i could not beleive how heavy/stiff the clutch was. My friend also had a drive, and said he had driven trucks with lighter clutches.

    Can anyone shed some light on whether this is the norm, because i was suprised that any company would sell a car with a clutch like this. I would be able to get used to it, but i just don't want it to be an actual fault.

    That is the only real thing standing in the way of me buying the car.

    Cheers for your help

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    It definitely ain't the norm!.

    The VTS clutch is very easy to work. Super-responsive, and if the truth be told, a properly adjusted one is very light. Alas, i'm no longer the owner of the best recent Cit. I sold it on Saturday just gone, after a six month wait. Now jetting around on a bike and a 1960 ID(obviously jetting is the incorrect verb in this case).

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    I suppose it depends on how you define heavy. I have found the clutch action on all 3 Xsara's I owned to be a bit on the heavy side, but you would get used to it. I think the issue might be something to do with the path the clutch cable takes in the engine bay.


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    Probably worn clutch plate.
    As clutches wear, they get heavier.

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    Thanks for the responses.

    Doesn't sound good

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    As has been suggested, it may be that the clutch cable might be turning too many corners or it may be like my 16V that somebody removed the heatshields near the exhaust manifold and cooked the outer casing which allowed water into the cable causing it to rust and snap.
    These clutches they tell me operate on a pull not push principle and when the throw out bearing begins to wear into the fingers it gets heavy, so I'd be inclined to say it's a worn clutch.
    On the Xantias, they use a plastic clip at the pedal end, so it seems normal procedure to pop one clip, fit a new cable, then if the second one goes in a reasonable space of time, they then replace the clutch.
    If you like the car and the price is reasonable, drop it on them to do the clutch as part of the deal or go part way with the cost for your own peace of mind, otherwise the next car you find might have a nice soft clutch but be a bucket of bolts in other respects.


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    Very true,

    decisions decisions.

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    What is the price in getting this car repaired then this might help him with his decision to buy it or not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney
    What is the price in getting this car repaired then this might help him with his decision to buy it or not?
    I've never been around one of these but I'd imagine it's no big deal.
    Say 6 hours labour and $300 parts as a top end figure I would think. No doubts someone who knows them might be a bit more accurate.


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    Hope this gives you a rough idea on what it will cost to get fixed. The xsara is a great little car (dashboard bland black) but overall a great machine.

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    Yeh i like the car overall, its just the clutch issue


    Im not mechanically astute enough to know exactly what the problem is either, maybe i could take it to a local citroen mechanic and get him to check it out?

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    Sounds pretty normal to me. The VTS and GTi6 both can get quite heavy clutches, and they'll feel even heavier if you've come from a Japanese car. You'll quickly get used to it and once warm the clutch is perfectly fine.

    It's normally caused by a stiff cable, so lubricating the cable can help. However, get it checked out, as the clutch could be overly worn, but a bit hard to say if the only symptom is a heavy clutch...

    It's a pretty powerful engine, needs a fairly decent clutch to handle the power...well torque, more...
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oz
    Yeh i like the car overall, its just the clutch issue


    Im not mechanically astute enough to know exactly what the problem is either, maybe i could take it to a local citroen mechanic and get him to check it out?
    If you want to be absolutely certain then that may be a good idea.

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    Any French specialist in WA should know after checking the car out if its good or not.

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    I spoke to a Peugot/Citroen dealer in Perth and he said a change of clutch cable could be order and that would make a world of difference (around $350 including labour).

    A new clutch he said would be around $1000 so thats ok.

    Anyway i made an offer and will see today i hope if its accepted.

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    Good luck with it hope your successful. Is it a series 1 xsara or series 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTI124
    Sounds pretty normal to me. The VTS and GTi6 both can get quite heavy clutches, and they'll feel even heavier if you've come from a Japanese car. You'll quickly get used to it and once warm the clutch is perfectly fine.

    It's normally caused by a stiff cable, so lubricating the cable can help. However, get it checked out, as the clutch could be overly worn, but a bit hard to say if the only symptom is a heavy clutch...
    I've been told this too. How many km's has the car travelled? I drive a 306 S16 a couple of years ago with about 110K on the clock. The clutch was mega heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oz
    I spoke to a Peugot/Citroen dealer in Perth and he said a change of clutch cable could be order and that would make a world of difference (around $350 including labour).

    A new clutch he said would be around $1000 so thats ok.

    Anyway i made an offer and will see today i hope if its accepted.

    Can I suggest you play some mind games with this dealer?
    See if you can get him to look at the car and diagnose it on the basis that as far as he's concerned, you'll be submitting an offer based on his diagnosis; that way he should be pretty careful what he tells you.
    It may also be that he knows the car and this in itself might give you a FSH free of charge.


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    The dealer in Perth doesn't know the car because its actually come over from Vic. The sale is private so i don't know if mind games with the dealer will help

    It was a demo originally, and the guy selling it is the 2nd owner since.

    The car has done 62,000km's and just had it's major 60,000km service (timing belt changed). I asked the owner if he had any problems with electrics thus far and he said no.

    Im not sure if the car is series 1 or 2, how do i check on that? It was built Nov'02

    Cheers all, very helpful anyways

    edit: the car has been for sale advertised on this forum 2002 Xsara VTS - For Sale
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    Hi and hopefully welcome to the wonderfull land of VTS ownership.

    I found my clutch a little light when I bougt mine compared to the HD clutch I'd put in my last car to handle more Booooost Mate.

    it only had 11,000 km on it so I'd be concerned about the clutch being on the way out. I looked into a new clutch before I bought it and it was aroun $500 just for the Parts kit.

    Let us know if you get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Oz
    Im not sure if the car is series 1 or 2, how do i check on that? It was built Nov'02[/url]
    It's a series 2. We never got the series 1 VTS. The front end is the giveaway. The series 2 cars have nose with the big headlights, whereas the series 1 has the slitty headlights like the following



    The colour is Juane Heliodor, the same colour as the VTS I had. They are a rare beast in Perth. Good car.

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