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    Hi, what a great forum... Thought that maybe someone could help me out. I own a '99 Xantia and decided to bring it with me to the remote desert. Fantastic on these red dirt roads. Problem is that the spheres need regassing/replacement, and I need to find the best way to go about that out here. Can anyone suggest someone to talk to who could freight the spheres out... Talk me through the process... Whatever??? GS's were simply a matter of regas, but by the look of things on this forum, Xantia's are a little different. Anyway I'm in the NT, smack bang next to Uluru, so any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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    Your the guy that took the CX's up there

    If it's an SX, you could probably fit your CX's spheres to it while you send the existing sphere's away for a regas.

    If it's a VSX, you could probably fit accumulator spheres in place of the H/A spheres (it'll be *very* soft) while there off being regassed.

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    Xantia spheres can be regassed like most other Cit Spheres - its just the C5 ones which are a chuckaway job.

    I shall be regassing my rears this week (well, taking them to a bloke who will do it for me).

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    Since you will be paying a lot for freight anyway, GSF might be a good option.

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    What exact model is you series 2 Xantia?

    Many of its spheres will probably be double membrane one like the C5 has fitted. Check for the letter M stamped into the sphere. These are reputed to last for up to 10 years without regassing but when they go it replace time as regassing doesn't work very well.

    My 1997 Xantia wagon has M type spheres on the front struts. I have to regas my rears every two years or so.

    DS motors in Brissie will do them and I have heard that Steely sometimes takes his regasser out to the Alice.

    See if you can find Willhelm de Gunst in the Alice as he has some CXs and may have some contacts in the area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken W
    What exact model is you series 2 Xantia?

    Many of its spheres will probably be double membrane one like the C5 has fitted. Check for the letter M stamped into the sphere. These are reputed to last for up to 10 years without regassing but when they go it replace time as regassing doesn't work very well.

    My 1997 Xantia wagon has M type spheres on the front struts. I have to regas my rears every two years or so.

    Bugger! Another thisng where UK spec differes from Aussie spec.

    My 2000 HDi Xantia came with non double membrane spheres all round - 3 years & they are well goosed - in fact the rears have lasted just about 12 months and the ride is already unacceptable.

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    I have been intending for a while to get the spheres on my vehicle re-gassed. In order to do this, I need to send them off, and Oleopeumatics in adelaide would be my best bet for that. What are the methods people have used for shipping them around the country - any problems with aus parcel post?
    Whatever happens i'll be without transport as I have only 1 spare sphere to attach, and that won't get me far.
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    I think given the distance involved that the best bet would be to stick to either new spheres from GSF in the UK or make a phone call to Pleiades who are Citroen hydraulics specialists.
    Peter Raffles who runs it came out from the UK a fe years ago and deals all over Australia and will be the best to advise on the best way to get them sent there.

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    He also does a thorough inspection of the spheres prior to regassing and sends them back clearly marked and with a 2 year guarantee. Any he has doubts on he will not do.
    He won't be the cheapest, but you'll know you've had them done right if he does them.
    When it comes to removing/refitting I can't tell you much about the later Xantias but I do know I have an early VSX and removal is a bit involved, so you may need to be a bit more specific on model and type for anyone to talk you through the job.


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    Andrew,

    if you're planning to hang onto your BX for a while (and from what I've inferred from your posts you do, correct me if I'm wrong please) then, perhaps the easiest thing to do might be to contact someone like Martin Bray or Pleiades to see if you can purchase another set of good secondhand regassed spheres. Assuming your present spheres are still serviceable, you'll then have some redundancy when you need to get any spheres regassed in the future, or if you are unlucky enough to have a sphere fail, and in the meantime you'll still be able to drive your car...

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    Stupid question: What are Spheres? - I don't want stupid answers :p

    I'm looking at possibly selling the 405 Mi16 and defecting to the Xantia. Trying to get as much info on them as I can before I jump in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pips
    Stupid question: What are Spheres? - I don't want stupid answers :p

    I'm looking at possibly selling the 405 Mi16 and defecting to the Xantia. Trying to get as much info on them as I can before I jump in.

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    pips, attached image is a typical hydraulic sphere.. and a little light reading on the basics of Citroen suspension.

    http://www.autozine.org/technical_sc...on3.htm#Activa

    http://www.schaalbouw.nl/citroen/dshowsus.htm


    http://www.schaalbouw.nl/citroen/dshowpre.htm

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    Thanks for the links.

    Now I know what they are.

    But reading the threads on having to maintain them quite often. Is that common, rare or just something you learn to live with?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pips
    Thanks for the links.

    Now I know what they are.

    But reading the threads on having to maintain them quite often. Is that common, rare or just something you learn to live with?

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    No more than any other car .... Mine only gets general servicing .......... ie: when something breaks I fix it .... If it's not broken leave it alone

    Seriously though, the suspension is the least of your worries, you just get the sphere's regassed every few years, maybe change the LHM at the same time. It costs $15 - $35 bux to regass a sphere (much easier than a shocker & spring change ).

    The Xantia is just a 406 poogoe with vastly superior brakes, suspension and much more usable hatchback body. The only reason I got such a boring looking modern/reliable car is due to the birth of our first child too.

    Me ??? I still hapily (very happily) drive a 20year old CX around

    If you drive that Xantia Activa that's for sale on here your gonna be bloody stunned at what a boring looking Xantia is capable of

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    No more than any other car .... Mine only gets general servicing .......... ie: when something breaks I fix it .... If it's not broken leave it alone

    Seriously though, the suspension is the least of your worries, you just get the sphere's regassed every few years, maybe change the LHM at the same time. It costs $15 - $35 bux to regass a sphere (much easier than a shocker & spring change ). Shane L.
    Hey Levvo, only a complete nob end or a boy racer with Koni-itis (with Eibach complications) changes their springs and dampers every few years, so the comparison is pointless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey
    Hey Levvo, only a complete nob end or a boy racer with Koni-itis (with Eibach complications) changes their springs and dampers every few years, so the comparison is pointless.


    I was refering to the fact it was easy (as it does need to be done regually every few years). NOTHING like changing shockers/springs (that they replace). You just release the pressure and unscrew them .... DONE

    Imagine having a track car with the ease of shocker/spring changing as this. Drive to the track, 10minutes to change 4wheel spheres for race spec valving and your away .... 10minute work when finished and you have a Limo ride to drive home

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    After years of owning hydraulic Cit's, and therefore replacing many sphere's I've noticed that whilst GSF sphere's are cheap, they dont last very long. Life can be improved if you re-gas them every year or so but genuine sphere's last a hell of a lot longer and will re-gas for longer than "pattern" bits
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    Quote Originally Posted by docchevron1472
    After years of owning hydraulic Cit's, and therefore replacing many sphere's I've noticed that whilst GSF sphere's are cheap, they dont last very long. Life can be improved if you re-gas them every year or so but genuine sphere's last a hell of a lot longer and will re-gas for longer than "pattern" bits
    There's only a couple of problems I can see here; firstly you guys in the UK cannot believe in your wildest dreams the stupid prices we get quoted for new spheres. How does A$275 for an accumulator sphere sound? So to fit out say a VSX with new spheres out here will exceed the price you'd pay for a car in the UK. Try out here for hydractive spheres and anti sink and listen to all the bullshyte they try to tell you "Hmm, yes, they are a special sphere as they're not mass produced; almost $400 I think they are" and so it goes on.
    The other point is, if buying "Genuine" spheres, who supplies them to Citroen? From what I understand the brand varies depending on who Citroen happen to have let the contract to supply to at the time, so as I understand from those in the parts trade in the UK, you've got as good a chance of picking up a set of spheres identical to those sold by GSF or Eurocarparts as genuine from a dealer.
    There was a company called Lizarte in Spain who were manufacturing and exporting and claimed a 1 in a 1000 failure rate which was impressive.
    I have seen long winded discussions overseas on the merits or otherwise of various spheres, but today I'd imagine with LHM cars in decline due to lack of manufacture for a few years, that regardless of where you buy spheres, there could be an aspect of Russian Roullette involved if for no other reason than the age of the stock particularly from Aussie Cit dealers due to owners avoiding buying spheres off then 5 times the price of the ones from overseas.


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    Good point, well put!! I keep forgetting how very expensive things are in Australia! Not altogether sure who made the "genuine" spheres I have but did notice that GSF spheres are single membrane and the "genuines" are triple membrane? My mate has a Xantia Activa (The Fool!!) and despite the fact I get bits at cost price (working in the garage trade is useful sometimes!) the amount of sterling to replace all 300 (ok maybe 10!) spheres is still frightening!
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    P.S. I think if I lived in oz (which I've been considering for some time) I think I'd have to move back to blighty to be able to afford to run my fleet!
    As a comparison I can get any sphere for any Cit for fifteen pounds sterling, plus seventeen and a half percent for the government, not sure what that is in dollars but cant imagine it's anywhere near the sums you were quoting!
    You still get better weather than us though!! Cant have it all I guess?!
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    Chris, the exchange rate at the moment is about AU$2.33 for £1
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    Quote Originally Posted by smiffy1071
    Chris, the exchange rate at the moment is about AU$2.33 for £1
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    Cripes!! Good for those of us on holiday over there then. Not so good for you guys I guess? Perhaps if we bumped the queen off it might even things up a bit!?!
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    Erm, be carefull there chris, don't forget, she's also the queen of Australia aswell, and I'm sure we don't want to get into the arguement about republic vs monarchist state.
    For what it's worth, I think she's good value for money, it's the rest of the hangers on that irritate me! john s
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    I didn't think you guys "down under" were that taken with her?
    Good value for money? I pay tax to keep her in her castles and she doesn't even offer to wash my cars! How ungrateful is that!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by docchevron1472
    I didn't think you guys "down under" were that taken with her?
    Good value for money? I pay tax to keep her in her castles and she doesn't even offer to wash my cars! How ungrateful is that!!!
    Most of us just don't care, as long as she doesn't start busybodying into "colonial" affairs
    I actually think Lizzie is great - a good link with the "old country". I must admit I enjoy her annual address every christmas or new year or whenever it is!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajpolden
    Most of us just don't care, as long as she doesn't start busybodying into "colonial" affairs
    I actually think Lizzie is great - a good link with the "old country". I must admit I enjoy her annual address every christmas or new year or whenever it is!
    C'mon guys,

    your not being very nice about the royal family .... Just think of all those [email protected] womens magazines ... without 'royals' they would have nothing to print.....

    Personally I'd much prefer to be a republic than have anything to do with the Royal family...

    You guys might complain about paying taxes to upkeep the Royal buildings... But think about it, the Royal buildings will most likely end up owned by the public in the long run, and you missing the most important bit. You couldn't even speculate on the amount of $$$$$ the Royal family and there property bring into the UK with Tourism... If you tried to put a $$$ figure on that I'm sure it would be in the 100 million pounds bracket annually (ie: something really big that would stun us all).

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