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    Hey,

    Well im still in my quest to find a car

    Ive come accross the Citroen Xsara VTR 1.6 - they seem alot of car for the money considering what you get?

    Anyways, what are some common problems with the car - surely there must be some Xsara owners here?

    Does the car have a 80k timing belt interval, same with the 306 range?

    Do they suffer from COM2000 problems (the car in question is out of warranty)?

    Any things I should be looking out for?

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    The Xsara 1.6L 5-door is 100,000km intervals for the timing belt, don't know about the VTR.

    As for my Xsara, it's been ultra reliable, no problems whatsoever, nearing 100,000kms now.
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    The timing belt interval is 4 Years/80000km.

    Also not, all the Xsara VTR's sold here had the COM2000. Early series 2 Xsaras, like the VTR I used to own, had the stalks carried over from the series 1 cars. Later ones had the com2000, like my VTS had. The easy way to tell the difference is that the older stalks had the horn button on the end of the indicator stalk, where as COM2000 didn't.

    I can't speak for anybody else, but in 2 years of owning the VTS, I had absolutely no problems with the COM2000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    The timing belt interval is 4 Years/80000km.

    Also not, all the Xsara VTR's sold here had the COM2000. Early series 2 Xsaras, like the VTR I used to own, had the stalks carried over from the series 1 cars. Later ones had the com2000, like my VTS had. The easy way to tell the difference is that the older stalks had the horn button on the end of the indicator stalk, where as COM2000 didn't.

    I can't speak for anybody else, but in 2 years of owning the VTS, I had absolutely no problems with the COM2000.

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    Yeah this model im pretty sure has COM2000 - its a '03 model!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Yeah this model im pretty sure has COM2000 - its a '03 model!

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    2003, yeah that would be one that has COM2000.

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    Same motor as the 307 1.6 Aye?

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Same motor as the 307 1.6 Aye?

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    Yep.

    I had no persistant problems with my VTR just a few minor things. What I can remember of the top of my head is

    1. Front crank seal leak. Fixed under warranty.
    2. Left side trim under the window warped slightly, coming away from the window. Fixed under warranty. Not really a problem, just a cosmetic thing. My VTS started doing that as well.
    3. Dodgy sounding central locking actuator, replaced under warranty. The COM2000 Xsaras have different actuators.
    4. Rear seat rattles. Placing a bit of foam between the seat and rear latches cuts down the noise.
    5. There was rattle noise from the gearlever that never got resolved, like there something floating in the gearknob itself. That was gearknob with the fake carbon fibre trim.
    6. Door trims kept popping out at the rear of door. The VTS was the same.
    7. Noisy fuel pump, replaced under warranty.


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    Hey Stalled, agree the VTR is a lot of car for the money. I've had one now for 4 months (02-Comm2000), only a few minor issues to sort out while still under warranty:
    Vibrating front right speaker
    Numerous cabin squeaks and rattles(but it's a Citroen so expected)
    Squeaky brakes. This is common with the Xsara, but nothing to worry about. A good hose of the brakes helps I'm told. The front discs needed replacing at 35K.

    Window regulators go too so check the power windows and ask if they've every had any problems with them. They are super economical..got 612ks around Sydney in peak hour traffic to 1 tank (55L)..need 95ron min though

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    Whats the performance like on the 1.6 motor - im not looking for a rocket of car car, just somthing zippy and "heavy traffic friendly"

    Cheers Clio Cup, the fuel economy sounds amazing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Whats the performance like on the 1.6 motor - im not looking for a rocket of car car, just somthing zippy and "heavy traffic friendly"

    Cheers Clio Cup, the fuel economy sounds amazing!

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    I hated that engine in our 307. It was gutless and the response was terrible. It sounded like a dieing cow.

    You do get a lot of car for the money though. The interior in the Xsara is better than the 306.

    I'd stick to the 306 idea

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    I hated that engine in our 307. It was gutless and the response was terrible. It sounded like a dieing cow.

    You do get a lot of car for the money though. The interior in the Xsara is better than the 306.

    I'd stick to the 306 idea
    Id imagine the 307 to be alot heavier though?

    Its just that finding a 306 with decent kays for a reasonable price is pretty hard - very few im finding are coming onto the used market?

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    Yeah the Xsara is about 60kg's lighter. Drive one and see if you like it, but I thought felt it needed more bottom end torque.

    I'm not sure if the Xsara had drive-by-wire throttle either, but the system in our 307 felt terrible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    Yeah the Xsara is about 60kg's lighter. Drive one and see if you like it, but I thought felt it needed more bottom end torque.

    I'm not sure if the Xsara had drive-by-wire throttle either, but the system in our 307 felt terrible.
    Yeah ill drive both of them and see what i like - its just that the Xsara is quite a few years newer than the 306's in my price range. Finding a N5 306 for around 10k seems almost impossible in NSW with reasonable KMS on it.

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    I just had a look, and you're right. There seems to be a bit of a shortage of N5's on the market at the moment. Strange.

    This one stuck out though. Pretty good value;

    http://www.carsales.com.au/pls/carsa...cle_id=2531276

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    Yeah, i have seen that one for sale - 100kw model as well. Just seems a fraction out of my price range and with Kms like that id imagine it would need a 80,000km service which includes the cambelt - it all adds up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by macquered
    Yeah the Xsara is about 60kg's lighter. Drive one and see if you like it, but I thought felt it needed more bottom end torque.

    I'm not sure if the Xsara had drive-by-wire throttle either, but the system in our 307 felt terrible.
    The Xsara 1.6 is throttle by wire like the 307.

    I agree that the 1.6 needs a little more torque. Generally the performance is ok, it is better than the 307, but it can struggle a little under heavy load.

    A series 1 Xsara might be good bet if it can be had for the right amount of kays. The 1.8 16V models goes quite well. It's basically a 306 with a different body and better interior, and softer suspension.

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    Does anyone know the timing belt interval for the C3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    The timing belt interval is 4 Years/80000km.

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    The dealer told me 100,000kms?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    The dealer told me 100,000kms?!?

    same here, he said maybe even 110 000. Around $400-$600 to replace....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    The dealer told me 100,000kms?!?
    Interesting that the dealer would say that. Citroen say that timing belt intervals on the petrol engine cars is 4 Years/80000km, same as the Peugeots. Same engines, don't know why it would be any different.

    With timing belts I would err on the side of caution. Replacing the time belt is cheaper than pulling the head off and replacing a whole lot of valves if the timing belt snaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xsara VTR
    same here, he said maybe even 110 000. Around $400-$600 to replace....
    It was around $400 when my dad had the belt replaced on his Xsara 1.8 by the dealer.

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    Cheers for the info - I might stick with the 306 still!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TroyO
    Interesting that the dealer would say that. Citroen say that timing belt intervals on the petrol engine cars is 4 Years/80000km, same as the Peugeots. Same engines, don't know why it would be any different.

    With timing belts I would err on the side of caution. Replacing the time belt is cheaper than pulling the head off and replacing a whole lot of valves if the timing belt snaps.

    Troy.
    I think the explanation is in the construction of the belt.
    I found out by accident about this when I sent a mate of mine in the UK a pic of a problem I was having with a cambelt and was told that based on the prefix of the belt part number, it was a "72,000 mile belt instead of the 48,000 mile belt they originally had fitted."
    When I question this, he told me that this was general knowledge over there due to a change in the base material used in the belts construction and he was surprised that we can still get the original types of belts over here, so obviously there's a lot of old stock floating around. The old fan belts were made of the same material as many early cambelts which contained what was basically canvas as the base reinforcement in them whereas these days it's some kind of poly material which doesn't degrade with age, heat and oil as quickly.
    FWIW, I've found most belts that snap do so from incorrect fitting or as in one case I recently discovered, a wrong profile had been used; fortunately we got it before it got us.

    As regards comparisons between 306s and Xsaras, all I can say is that whilst I don't know anyone with a 306 personally, I have known a couple with Xsaras and in one case he did over 80K klms on a couple of years, came from a Mercedes family and still to this day rates the Xsara as the best and most rekiable car he's ever owned. Given their bang for buck, you should seriously keep an eye out for one as many also come up in the Auctions as ex-fleet cars at very low klms, regulaly serviced and at reasonably low prices.


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