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    Default Stunning BX 16V for sale

    I was at PaulVs today. There is a silver BX 16V there with only 80000kms on it that is just stunning, looks like it just came out of the showroom.

    If you are looking for one of these, check this one out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barryg
    I was at PaulVs today. There is a silver BX 16V there with only 80000kms on it that is just stunning, looks like it just came out of the showroom.

    If you are looking for one of these, check this one out.

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    Barry,can you give us more info? Year,$$$.etc. Are there any pictures anywhere to view it.? I might be in the market for one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dom19
    Barry,can you give us more info? Year,$$$.etc. Are there any pictures anywhere to view it.? I might be in the market for one.
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    No pix as far as I know. It's at Damon Beck's yard Victoria Rd Gladesville, I think he wants around $8k for it.

    The rego is IIRC ANU66E, anyone know this one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by barryg
    No pix as far as I know. It's at Damon Beck's yard Victoria Rd Gladesville, I think he wants around $8k for it.

    The rego is IIRC ANU66E, anyone know this one?

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    Yes, it's actually ANU66U & (Oct 92 build, 80350 kms-ish) and I traded it to buy a C4 VTS. Its rego runs out August 2006

    It is a great car, you should get it.

    They are making quite a profit

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    Welcome to the C4 ownership club!

    Congrats with your purchase!

    (I'm proud to be the first person to have owned a C4 in Australia - confirmed by my dealer )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    Welcome to the C4 ownership club!

    Congrats with your purchase!

    (I'm proud to be the first person to have owned a C4 in Australia - confirmed by my dealer )
    thanks Uga, and I the C2 (April 2004)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide Perinet
    thanks Uga, and I the C2 (April 2004)
    Do you still own the C2? Maybe you should add the current Citroens you own in your signature.

    By the way, do you regret trading in the BX? Did you considering keeping the BX, as well as getting the C4? Considering the low trade-in amount you got for the BX? (I'm guessing around 2-3k )

    The funny thing about the C4 is, i didn't even test drive one, simply pre-ordered it through my dealer, then drove it away, when it arrived (i think it was March 05).

    That's how much confidence i had in Citroen, the Xsara has simply been amazing when it comes to reliability, hasn't missed a beat.

    It's simply surprising and sad that Citroen doesn't have a larger market share in Australia, it definitely deserves a larger share.

    It was quite fun tho, for the first month, having people walk up to me and ask what kind of car it was etc... It was definitely an eye catcher (like most Citroens).

    We must strive against the Japanese propaganda that Citroens are expensive to maintain and aren't reliable, it's simply not true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    Do you still own the C2? Maybe you should add the current Citroens you own in your signature.

    By the way, do you regret trading in the BX? Did you considering keeping the BX, as well as getting the C4? Considering the low trade-in amount you got for the BX? (I'm guessing around 2-3k )
    Yes, I dont get the C4 until December.

    I do regret but with insurance, rego, grand credit card bills, servicing for the 2 cars, it was just getting to many euros

    Have you had any concerns with your C4 so far? I hope mine will be as reliable as both the C2 is & BX was

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    Nope, no issues at all.

    However, when you do get your C4, it's best to reserve judgement until your first service.

    As with all new Citroens, they'll be upgrading the software and you'll definitely notice a more smoother ride after the first service. (mainly the auto box required a software update)

    Then again, you have will the VTS, so it's a manual, should be perfect.

    The LCD screen is simply superb, i love the way how it adopts to the sun light.

    I have only one small complaint and that's the power mirrors, they seem to be scratching the paint, when they open and close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    Do you still own the C2? Maybe you should add the current Citroens you own in your signature.

    By the way, do you regret trading in the BX? Did you considering keeping the BX, as well as getting the C4? Considering the low trade-in amount you got for the BX? (I'm guessing around 2-3k )

    The funny thing about the C4 is, i didn't even test drive one, simply pre-ordered it through my dealer, then drove it away, when it arrived (i think it was March 05).

    That's how much confidence i had in Citroen, the Xsara has simply been amazing when it comes to reliability, hasn't missed a beat.

    It's simply surprising and sad that Citroen doesn't have a larger market share in Australia, it definitely deserves a larger share.

    It was quite fun tho, for the first month, having people walk up to me and ask what kind of car it was etc... It was definitely an eye catcher (like most Citroens).

    We must strive against the Japanese propaganda that Citroens are expensive to maintain and aren't reliable, it's simply not true

    Yes, it doenst have a large marker share because we (well Chirac) blew up Tahiti 10 years ago , in France Citroens are normal, when here they are 'weird'. They are very modern comfortable cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide Perinet
    Yes, it's actually ANU66U & (Oct 92 build, 80350 kms-ish) and I traded it to buy a C4 VTS. Its rego runs out August 2006

    It is a great car, you should get it.

    They are making quite a profit
    David all I can say is you did a great job looking after that car and it's a shame you couldn't keep it. Maybe you should give Damon your phone number so you can answer questions? (just kidding).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davide Perinet
    They are making quite a profit...
    My Mi16 was traded for $2,600 and I bought it for $6,990...similar margin, I expect.

    From just the sound of that car, it has to be a great buy.

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    Davide,

    Is this the car that used to belong to a lady from Woolongong or is it the one that was tied up through a deceased estate?
    The mileage is incredibly low and I know both of those cars have/had very low mileages.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    We must strive against the Japanese propaganda that Citroens are expensive to maintain and aren't reliable, it's simply not true
    2 Citroens, 1 Peugeot, 3 Subarus later...

    Consumables like brake pads, rotors, oil filters and such are great - routine running costs and servicing for Citroens is a little cheaper for me.

    BUT

    Things happen like fan control units immolating, ignition switches failing, electric windows dying, idle stepper motor failures, all at several hundred dollars a pop in a car under 80,000km, brake pads last less than half the distance in the Citroen. Add in 3 hydraulic system faults in 100,000km (I'm happy to trade this for the suspension - sort of) too.

    Sorry, my Citroen is more expensive to maintain and is less reliable.
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    Your Citroen is a 1995 model, you can't compare a 2005 model to a 1995 model car...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    Your Citroen is a 1995 model, you can't compare a 2005 model to a 1995 model car...

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    Yes it is.
    But sadly the reliability record of PSA products from this era might be what's doing the reputation the harm. Japanese propaganda may not be needed. I did concur that, providing they don't break, they are cheaper to run than Subarus. Sorry to propagate such evil rumours, but I'm only talking to the converted here, aren't I . Nobody else knows my terrible secrets, I promise...

    Now I suppose it remains to be seen whether the 2005 models have electrics and ancillaries with the reliability of Subaru and Toyota et al. I'd like to think so, but the Pugs in the family are yet to hit 50K.
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    I must keep missing something when I am working around these Jap cars; come to think about it, I seem to have also missed it when I worked with them.
    Ask any Toyeata owner whose ever busted a lower hose or had a rock ping through his bottom radiator tank how well the electronic warning system worked. Best result I ever saw was 20 minutes after the engine had seized.
    Ask how the auto lasted in a Land Bruiser particularly one that had been overheated and how much it cost to repair and see how well they stack up then.


    I will give credit where it's due; Jap dealers are much better at looking after their customers and much better P/R people than French ones are.
    One thing of note when it comes to these heavy costs and rare problems seems to be how most come from Sydney, some from Melbourne and rarely do we hear from them in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. Hard to justify that by sales numbers too, as John Cant was Australias top selling Cit dealer for a while. Anybody any clues; weather, coincidence, fussy customers, different batches???? Ever get the feeling you might be getting shafted?

    I bought a Xantia from down south with high miles that had a few slight issues but it has since done many more with practically nothing apart from general maintenance. It was a '94 model, so if any car was going to have problems, it should have. It didn't. I don't consider the service people (not in Sydney) as being the best or cheapest in the country mainly due to having some service records which meant I could go back over the work and finding things like twice as much LHM being put in the tank than would fit and things being fitted that were obviously still original. I bought a BX16V that had a wide list of repairs that had cost thousands at a well known Sydney repairers, most of which had either been bodged or just not done, yet thousands had been charged and again was the reason the car was sold.
    I haven't spent $1000 on that car in 5 years. Admittedly that didn't include my labour and the old story of yayaya about how some have to rely on others to do their work is fair enough, but, most of the $$$s has been spent on rectification work not service work. Take this, a heat shield is taken off a car for some reason. It takes about 10 - 15 minutes to replace as it's in an awkward position, so, they discard it. Result: 1 clutch cable, steering rack boots, pinion seals, sensor wires and hand brake cable all seriously damaged by the heat. Not a design or manufacturing fault; it was done through incompetant workmanship.
    This is the biggest liability on costs of any Cit and in some cases Pugs also, and the thing I get really shitty about.
    Apologies for tradesmen doing shoddy work, using no special skills or knowledge above that of an average DIYer but charging way above average mechanics rates and then overcharging for materials, leaving work unfinished, never guaranteeing their work but instead every time the job is returned suddenly "finding" a "different" fault due to a cause 'no way associated' to the problem created by their shoddy work.
    Before we get a re-run of the usual old chestnut about costs of wages, insurance, carrying stock and time creating the intellectual ability, rents, rates, power and all the old boring excuses to rip customers off, be aware that I am a tradesman, ran large car operations as well as other sales and service operations and was self employed for many years and have just recently help set my son up in a service related business so I am well aware of the costs and the need to cover those in the charges. I am equally aware that a business with a good reputation flourishes on its own merits and makes much better profits through lower charges and better (repeat) business and if we get more dealers operating on those principles and less working as they are now, we'll all be better off; them and us.
    Cars as badly made as some claim don't last 500K - 1 million klms and above as happens overseas; that's just logic that can be backed with facts, not sales hype. I think it's important if you are being taken to the cleaners to get a second opinion by possibly someone totally divorced from the dealer and with no axe to grind and look openly at why you have all these problems and costs and look for logical reasons. The worst repairers quite often have great personalities and are often recommended by others (who often don't use them personally) as it seems to come with the territory being a bit of a conman.
    If they were doing in the outside world what they do to French car owners, it would be defined under the criminal code and they'd be locked up; and on that I'm quite serious.
    Theft, extortion, false pretences, breach of trust to name a few.



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    Alan, perhaps I'm paranoid, but I get a feeling your last post may reflect some of my recent words . I suspect some of our story is bad luck - I know there are many Xantias around the world with few problems at very high mileages. I don't think being fussy (I am) caused or contributed to any of the failures in our cars. Nor are our Subarus fault-free. I do think however that many of our problems are due to intrinsic problems with design and quality. Poor design of hydraulic pipes, electric/electronic bits failing long before they should. Furthermore, I gather from friends and from Yahoo Groups that the problems we've had are all quite typical of the series 1 cars. Obviously not everyone has them, but many do. That we've had most of them is presumably the luck bit. Its life, and I love the car (if I didn't I wouldn't have spent what I have in recent years on extraneous repairs). And I can quite imagine our Xantia plodding on for a long while yet - the structure, body and interior and major moving parts are solid as a rock.

    To service. Much prefer the Citroen people we have been using for 15 years to the Subaru people. They have excelled in the standard of repairs and quality of service. They have great knowledge of the product - no mucking around and never once has something not been fixed first time, nor anything urgent not attended to immediately. Costs are well contained in comparison to Subaru also.

    To the old chestnut. Does Alan or anybody know what is a reasonable labour charge in a major city for decent quality specialised service at a busy garage - with all those yaddayadda things taken into account, of course. Is $90/hour ridiculous? Is that 10, 20, 50% more than is reasonable?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    I must keep missing something when I am working around these Jap cars; come to think about it, I seem to have also missed it when I worked with them.
    Ask any Toyeata owner whose ever busted a lower hose or had a rock ping through his bottom radiator tank how well the electronic warning system worked. Best result I ever saw was 20 minutes after the engine had seized.
    Ask how the auto lasted in a Land Bruiser particularly one that had been overheated and how much it cost to repair and see how well they stack up then.


    I will give credit where it's due; Jap dealers are much better at looking after their customers and much better P/R people than French ones are.
    One thing of note when it comes to these heavy costs and rare problems seems to be how most come from Sydney, some from Melbourne and rarely do we hear from them in Brisbane, Adelaide and Perth. Hard to justify that by sales numbers too, as John Cant was Australias top selling Cit dealer for a while. Anybody any clues; weather, coincidence, fussy customers, different batches???? Ever get the feeling you might be getting shafted?


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    Alan, regarding the lack of problems reported from cars in SA, perhaps SA's lack of road worthiness certificates has something to do with it.I've always serviced & repaired my cars myself, so when getting pink slips in NSW I always new my car would get one first time. No mechanic was going to tell me my brake pads were nearly worn out & the disc rotors were too thin. But if you don't have any mechanical knowledge you are at the mercy of your mechanic to be honest and trustworthy.However now I live in SA & still maintain my own cars but without road worthiness certificates there are some bombs on the road here. As a former Subaru owner & a current Toyota owner I know these cars can be fantastically reliable if maintained to the manufacturers standard. I'm seriously considering buying a Citroen, possibly a low klm BX,(not too complicated but in NSW) Xantia(lots of bells & whistles but also in NSW) or Xsara(lots of bells & whistles,no hydro pneumatics,but for sale just down the road). So I'm following these discussions closely. Trouble is the more I read the more there is to think about.I bought a Ducati 750 F1 brand new once & all my bike friends said I was crazy as Dukes were unreliable dogs.Of course none of them had owned one. Road it every day to work & back cos it was such a rush, and it never missed a beat once or let me down ever. What is one to do???

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    Sorry, had a few hectic days so not been around much.

    Firstly Trixie, yes the response did reflect the previous post but for no other reason that what you are saying has been said so many times before and I thoroughly understand how many have to rely on others to do the work as I used to until I decided it was more cost, efficiency and time effective to run two cars and service them myself.
    This has got a bit to do with too many knowing more about scams than they do about mechanicals in far too many cases, and just plain old fashioned honesty. I'm not as some of the culprits friends will try to paint me, a specialist basher, far from it. They are a part of the picture and there's quite a few who I know and respect and at times call upon for advice and a couple who have been known to contact me. Most of these, publicly and others privately agree with me that we'd all be better off without them (the deadbeats) and the greatest asset to their existence is the ones who are apologists for them or who try to defend the indefensible; dishonesty and shoddy work.
    I doubt that RWCs have one iota of influence on these things. I say that because any decent mechanic worth his salt will thoroughly check a car over and road test it upon completion of work and will recommend to the owner anything that requires attention, particularly safety related issues. Added to that, I mentioned in another thread that I have bought a few cars from Sydney a couple that had been RWCd within the previous couple of weeks and in every case I haven't found one that I could just take in and register in Queensland due to the number and seriousness of the defects that I found. (Steering, suspension, tyres, exhaust, boots, oil leaks) even though in most cases, thousands of needless dollars had been recently spent.
    I do realise what the recognised costs of running a workshop is be it in the big smoke or out in the bush and there's not all that much diference mainly due to the shift in charges and time frames. City has reasonably high rents by comparison but has parts at the doorstep and can usually get them sent across or delivered same day. Bush has often STD call, increased freight costs, time delay which also means workshop space tied up whilst waiting parts and as a result work has to be deferred and so on.
    Standard is $72 an hour for outside service work and $55 for inside workshop repairs. The outside figure has added to it a call out fee to compensate for travelling and general additional overheads whilst the inside fee has been calculated to allow for overlapping of time. These are the base industry standards that are adjusted to suit the individual situation, but remember that a larger company and to a lesser extent even the one man operation has added to this profit from parts which in itself can be quite substantial, particularly when some of the exhorbitant mark ups are applied.
    None of this is the issue though.
    The issue is how many owners are being charged mega bucks for things either not being done or not done correctly. The BX16V being a very typical case; not this one particularly, but any BX16V.
    A recent discussion regarding one by an owner whose car had over $10K spent by a previous owner over an 18 month period and ho the repairer supposedly commented that the car still had issues because the owner at the time was "a bit tight and didn't like spending money on the car" is a typical example. The fact that the car was still almost undriveable pays testament to the quality of the service that had been done, including a few "service to ECU" ($300 - $500 a time from memory)....what was this; polish the case? Another car that supposedly had a rebuilt engine ($4500 )that lasted 20K klms and then snapped another cambelt and self destructed. Another that supposedly had an 80,000 service that included a cambelt but still had the belt from the factory fitted when it was checked at 110,000.
    The BX16V is a very remarkable car in that it was a fairly unique vehicle that featured many innovative ideas; whoever heard of a high revving long stroke engine? Years back, if you wanted high revs you went short stroke and even at Bathurst it sent the Japs in a spin trying to put logic to its performance. Unfortunately, Mr Bertone designed it to fit a 1.6/1.9 litre 8 valve engine with LHD and we have ended up with a 16V RHD so in many ways, it's not all that much different to a 205/Mi16 GTi. As a result, if they are worked on using proper principles and procedures, they can be a great sporty reliable motor car. (Ask Dave Cavanagh about his brothers 300K + or a guy in Holland I know whose brothers has done about 430K last I heard) but they can't get away with slipshod work on them and I'm afraid it's looking like the later stuff is also getting into the same category, so those presently fumbling through at inflated prices are going to need to either smarten up or move on or they'll destroy the maques existence in this country.
    Other early model issues I've found were a rebuilt engine top end ($3500 ) that had the valve stem seals loose and were the wrong types, a CX that had supposedly 3 sets of brake rotors and pads fitted in 18 months even though the car was immobile for that time, CX that was supposed to have a new clutch fitted but still had grease packed around every bolt that would have to been removed to do the job, new matrix charged out on a BX which again leaked and was discovered the original matrix there and pipes which had been broken had been attempted to be glued back into place and I could keep going on. These aren't isolated cases and as I say charge out rates aren't the issue. I would rather pay a proper tradesman, an honest one, $120 an hour than one of these bodge merchants $90, because the tradesman will spend time to troubleshoot accurately and then will set about "in a tradesman like manner" to rectify it. The bodger will try to give an air of almost divine guidance, spit a diagnosis based on what the customer says and what he reckons they want to hear, fit a part and if not successful, then fit another and declare there was more than one thing wrong or a more common one is to offer to "go through it" for you. This he hopes is like getting rid of stone chips; paint the entire bonnet and you must get all the stone chips. The fact that what should be a $500 job ends up as a $3000 one is the desired end result. Others tend to dive in, do one job as quickly as possible but charge as though it took hours and turn blind eyes to anything else. Referred to as "leaving that job for Ron; lateR on" This attitude of course then makes any supposed hourly rate totally hypothetical just as getting spheres gassed for say $45 a pop as part of a routine service; the $45 is the same price if you take them in off the car, so if you get charged $45 in that situation ($2 nitrogen, 10 minutes labour) and then get charged an overall time for the job including time taken charging the spheres, that's double dipping and what kind of hourly rate does that equate to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    Sorry, had a few hectic days so not been around much.

    Firstly Trixie, yes the response did reflect the previous post but for no other reason that what you are saying has been said so many times before and I thoroughly understand how many have to rely on others to do the work as I used to until I decided it was more cost, efficiency and time effective to run two cars and service them myself..............................etc

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    Could not have said it better

    My BX is at 240k and stillgoing strong, not a even a puff of smoke, amazing car, amazing handling, amazing engine, the only problem is that I only have one of them.

    Over the years on occasions I have been to the experts, just like the Range Rover workshop at artarmon, suppose to be the best in the business, they took out the gearbox and actually dropped it of the stand, the car came back with out the heat sheild on the speed cable, I was going down the freeway in absolute pooring rain and the windscreen wiper blades flew out cause they did not put the clips in, and scratched the windscreen mind you.
    hey even charged me $20 for rags- wow must have been some special rags they use so as not to scratch the underbody.
    Not an isolated case jsut an example, I put the wifes car in for an engine change part of the procedure requires the radiator out otherwise you cant get the motor out, gues what I got charged for a new radiator because th core was blocked????, bet they killed it trying to short cut the motor, which came back even with the oil filler cap broken. at another place Later had alternator changed and they did not clamp the aircon pipe in which rubbed on the alt pully and guess what happed, that will cost me a few hundred.

    And dont get started on wheel aligments.



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    Same with my cars, almost every problem I've had can be related directly back to the mechanic that worked on it ... The only problem is that only leaves me to blame

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trixie
    2 Citroens, 1 Peugeot, 3 Subarus later...

    Consumables like brake pads, rotors, oil filters and such are great - routine running costs and servicing for Citroens is a little cheaper for me.

    BUT

    Things happen like fan control units immolating, ignition switches failing, electric windows dying, idle stepper motor failures, all at several hundred dollars a pop in a car under 80,000km, brake pads last less than half the distance in the Citroen. Add in 3 hydraulic system faults in 100,000km (I'm happy to trade this for the suspension - sort of) too.

    Sorry, my Citroen is more expensive to maintain and is less reliable.
    Yep for a dealer to fix these would be expensive. This is where these types of lists come in very handy.

    eg: fan controlling unit .... This is a well known issue, and is not the fan controlling unit. The demister fan take it's power from the ignition switch .... Which burns the contacts in the ignition switch. Every series I Xantia should have had this fixed under warranty as a part of there servicing at no cost (no doubt they didn't). The fix being to install a simple relay, or as i did, simply run a wire from the Cigarette lighter across the fan.

    I'd be horrified to think a dealer simply replaced the ignition switch and fan controller (not necessary ) without fixing the actual problem ie: the switch contacts not being upto the power being pulled. Any 'ignition switch' problems will be back in the near future.

    Idle stepper motors ... I can't see how a Bosch idle stepper motor can be considered a 'Citroen Fault'. Apparantly they can get sticky which a quick spray of silicon spray will fix ....... Much cheaper than replacement. Brake pads & rotors, I guess we have covered this, just try running a new fowlcan/crummydore, exactly the same issues .... Infact all new cars appear to have this problem.

    Any electric window problems I would expect to be covered by warranty, even if the warranty is expired by a bit .... You see given how rarely the windows are used, they really should last the lifetime of the car.

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    PS: See how these boards are so helpful, most of us have "been there and done that", and have "found" the fix. You don't need to DIY, eg: take the interior fan ... Simply ask the local auto-electrician to wire you a relay into the fan or grab it's power feed from somewhere more substantial ... ie: cigarette lighter ... It'll be 10minutes work if they have done one before, or maybe 1hour to sort it out if they have never seen one.
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    Sometimes all these thing come about from lack of use.

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    Thankyou for your detailed and informative replies, esp Alan and Shane. I am humbled. Yes, I suspect at least a few of the things we've had could have been done cheaper. I'm interested to see your labour rate figures too Alan - I thought as much, and know well that paying $90 an hour for a brand new Subaru service is ludicrous, especially given the complete lack of complexity of the 'work'. Makes up for the warranty stuff, perhaps. Oh well at least they always wash the car.

    To the Citroen. The idle stepper (Bosch (like our dishwasher , but which Citroen decided to put there) was cleaned and lubed, improved, then one day just went very dramatically wrong, so was replaced after consultation and further cleaning. The fan control unit stopped working, so the ignition switch was replaced (hmm) and all seemed well . A year later, the fan unit started smoking impressively on Christmas day, so they replaced that then (well a couple of days later). This was 3-4 years ago now. All seems OK for now...

    Now I don't really want to know how badly I've been ripped off with this, but I would have also thought that an indicator stalk ought to last more than 75000km, or a catalytic converter 70000km (100% Shell/BP PULP...). There have been a few other things too, but all cars have some problems, don't they.

    And really, I can't expect a window mechanism replacement 4 years out of warranty, can I? Then again if I think that, maybe I should not expect it to fail...

    Oh I don't know. When I started in this thread (sorry rather off-topic now) I thought I had an unreliable car which was being repaired competently as things came up and, these things aside, was not overly expensive as a going concern. Now it seems the car is actually reliable, its just that the mechanics are making mountains out of molehills.

    I stand, however mistaken, by my apparently borderline psychotic perception that my Citroen is less reliable than I would like , however much I love it .
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