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    Hi

    My name's Dave and I joined this forum today.

    I'm considering purchasing a Citroen C4 in a couple of years (to replace my 1987 Nissan Pulsar).

    Can someone please provide info on the cost of keeping the Citroen on the road.

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    I'm actually not that concerned with depreciation and I already know fuel economy figures. I just want to know how much it would cost per year to keep the car on the road if I drove, say 10 000 kms per year. How much would it cost to service it? Can I take it to any good mechanic? How much does it cost for parts that typically need to be replaced?

    I'm not sure repair costs are relevant because that's covered by insurance and I can easily compare insurance costs.

    I'm also interested to know if it is possible/advisable to run this car on LPG and possible/advisable to at least save some money by using ordinary unleaded instead of premium unleaded petrol.

    I've done a fair bit of research on the net but have no experience driving/owning a European car. Any advice, suggestions, useful information would be greatly appreciated that could help with my decision.

    It would be great to hear from someone.

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    Hi Dave,
    I don't own a C4, (I have an old CX), but I do have a Peugeot 206cc, which has the 2L engine. In my experience, you will find servicing costs are probably reasonable (compared to Toyota, Honda etc). The 206 only needs to be serviced every 20.000kms, with the major services every 40,000kms, ie as mine has done 49,000kms, my first service was at 10,000 (free),
    then 20,000kms (minor service and about $160.00),
    then at 40,000kms (major service and about $600.00, which included rear brake pads).
    As far as parts are concerned, dont know cos its still under warranty.

    As far as running it on LPG, it probably could be done, but you'd void your warranty i suspect, plus it wouldnt be a dedicated Citroen LPG conversion, so it wouldnt be set up to run with the ECU. It would run like crap, not be efficent, and waste space in the boot for the tank. The Federal Govt I recall are phasing in excise on LPG, in the next couple of years as well, so the savings would be marginal to say the least.

    If the engine is the same as the 206, then they say to run it on premium, at least 95RON, as in Europe the fuel is minimum 95 RON. The car is set up to run on premium, so running on normal 92RON, if it doesnt void your warranty, may damage the engine, but it will certainly be false economy. The only reason most Japanese cars usually run on normal unleaded, is because they have to sell them to the Yanks.(and Us!!).

    Hope this helps
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    Default Thanks for help are Citroen dealers good for maintenance?

    Thanks Terry. Your comments are very helpful.

    My other main concern is whether it is better to take a Citroen car to the Citroen dealer or not. Are your prices dealer prices or prices charged by an average mechanic?

    I used to take my Nissan Pulsar to the dealer but they were very expensive and their work was shoddy. A friend told me this is because they employ apprentices to do the work and then charge customers a fortune to make high profit. The customer thinks they're paying extra for the dealer's expertise but they are actually getting ripped off. This experience has scared me off dealers and I have a good mechanic now but he does not specialise in Citroens. If dealers are not good then it would be helpful to know which mechanics specialise in Citroens in the outer eastern suburbs of Melbourne. I live in Ringwood.



    QUOTE=doggiedog]Hi Dave,
    I don't own a C4, (I have an old CX), but I do have a Peugeot 206cc, which has the 2L engine. In my experience, you will find servicing costs are probably reasonable (compared to Toyota, Honda etc). The 206 only needs to be serviced every 20.000kms, with the major services every 40,000kms, ie as mine has done 49,000kms, my first service was at 10,000 (free),
    then 20,000kms (minor service and about $160.00),
    then at 40,000kms (major service and about $600.00, which included rear brake pads).
    As far as parts are concerned, dont know cos its still under warranty.

    As far as running it on LPG, it probably could be done, but you'd void your warranty i suspect, plus it wouldnt be a dedicated Citroen LPG conversion, so it wouldnt be set up to run with the ECU. It would run like crap, not be efficent, and waste space in the boot for the tank. The Federal Govt I recall are phasing in excise on LPG, in the next couple of years as well, so the savings would be marginal to say the least.

    If the engine is the same as the 206, then they say to run it on premium, at least 95RON, as in Europe the fuel is minimum 95 RON. The car is set up to run on premium, so running on normal 92RON, if it doesnt void your warranty, may damage the engine, but it will certainly be false economy. The only reason most Japanese cars usually run on normal unleaded, is because they have to sell them to the Yanks.(and Us!!).

    Hope this helps
    Terry[/QUOTE]

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    G'day - I own a Citroen C2, and have just had by 20000km service done by Citroen Melbourne which cost me 412 bucks.

    They seemed to know what they were doing, and whilst the car is under warranty, I will get my work done by them.

    If you don't want a dealer to do the work, I have heard that French Connection in Airport West are very very good. Have a look at the first thread on this page for other suggestions for good service in the Melbourne area.
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    Terry welcome to Aussiefrogs. I have the new C3. Costs have been very low up till now. I have taken my car to the dealer who I bought if off for the life of the Warranty but since the warranty is over I have been taking it to a French reputable machanic and the cost has been lower. I know he is a good mechanic also.
    Try to keep the car going to a reputable person who knows what they are doing. That my

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    Hi again Dave,
    The prices I quoted are dealer prices. Im pretty sure you dont have to take the car to an authorised dealer for servicing ( no matter what the dealer says), so long as the mechanic is a qualified mechanic, but you will probably have to stand your ground when it comes to warranty issues.

    I had a terrible time with Holden with my 99 Statesman, as the dealer servicing dept were absolutely hopeless, told lies etc, (Drivers window fell into door, they had it whole day, went to pick it it up, window is up secured with packaging tape on the outside. "its ready to go, but you will have to bring it back later next week") I could go on, that car went back to the dealer 2 to 3 times between its 10k services.

    So was pleasently surprised when I had to deal with the Peugeot Dealership here. They are fairly new here, nothing is too much trouble, they are pleasent, they are relatively small and only have 1 mechanic. I dont even have to ask for a loan car. I only get dealer servicing because the car is on a novated lease.

    The only trouble I can see with taking any car nowdays to a independant mechanic, is they probably wont have the diagnostic equipment, or be able to connect to the ECU. Also, as so many systems are now controlled by the ECU, they will update the software as a matter of course.

    Hopefully you can find a good Citroen dealer.

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    Greetings

    If you have a concern about economy, and you are thinking of buying in the future rather than immediately, maybe the anticipated 1.6HDi (turbo)diesel would be worth a drive - should be cheaper to run than petrol without the need to modify anything.

    [edited becase i stupidly responded to the wrong person - sorry!]
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    I think what you could do is just take the car to your friend every 10k for an oil change service and then to the dealer or specialist mechanic for 20K services (where they plug it into the DIAG2000 to look for any probs). If you're only driving 10k per year then servicing shouldn't be a big problem.

    Alpine affair are out in ringwood aren't they? They may be able to help you out.

    Congrats on the purchase by the way. Very smart looking car that C4 when seen in the back mirrors.
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    isnt it citroen who encourage you to do your own intermediate/minor services and have even gone to the extent of having a helpline ?

    anyway i got together with some others and got a bulk buy of oil saving me several dollars per litre. If you arent allergic (dont get hayfever) refuse to have the pollen filter changed. And if you still want to save money - buy a washable panel air filter prior to your first service.

    plus if you dont like your Citroen dealer...go to a peugeot dealer - as deep down we all know most modern citroens are just peugeots in a candy shell.

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    Hi Dave,


    I just drove C4 for two months in europe. It was 1.6 HDi and I can tell you, one awsome car. I did 12000 km in that period and not a single problem. If you are concern about economy I would suggest that diesel engine which is coming at the end of the year to Australia. My average fule consumption was 5.8L/100KM.
    As to LPG I would probably avoid that option becasue it would be expensive to install and hard to return money at rate of 10000km per year.
    As to service, I have Berlingo myself, it is not much more expensive than japanese cars and if you by diesel car you'd be doing service every 20000km. For service I would suggest either citroen dealer or private mechanic that deals only with french cars.
    I hope this helps.

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    Default Thanks/ What do you know about diesels?

    Thanks Igor,

    I'm starting to think the diesel may be the best option. I've heard that diesel engines last longer too. From what you've said they seem cheaper both to run and maintain. Please tell me are there any disadvantages? Was the 1.6 HDi sluggish? Do diesel engines actually last twice as long as petrol engines? Sounds like yours was very reliable - is that generally the case with diesels?


    I just drove C4 for two months in europe. It was 1.6 HDi and I can tell you, one awsome car. I did 12000 km in that period and not a single problem. If you are concern about economy I would suggest that diesel engine which is coming at the end of the year to Australia. My average fule consumption was 5.8L/100KM.
    As to LPG I would probably avoid that option becasue it would be expensive to install and hard to return money at rate of 10000km per year.
    As to service, I have Berlingo myself, it is not much more expensive than japanese cars and if you by diesel car you'd be doing service every 20000km. For service I would suggest either citroen dealer or private mechanic that deals only with french cars.
    I hope this helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgg9879
    Hi

    My name's Dave and I joined this forum today.

    I'm considering purchasing a Citroen C4 in a couple of years (to replace my 1987 Nissan Pulsar).

    Can someone please provide info on the cost of keeping the Citroen on the road.

    I'm actually not that concerned with depreciation and I already know fuel economy figures. I just want to know how much it would cost per year to keep the car on the road if I drove, say 10 000 kms per year. How much would it cost to service it? Can I take it to any good mechanic? How much does it cost for parts that typically need to be replaced?

    I'm not sure repair costs are relevant because that's covered by insurance and I can easily compare insurance costs.

    I'm also interested to know if it is possible/advisable to run this car on LPG and possible/advisable to at least save some money by using ordinary unleaded instead of premium unleaded petrol.

    I've done a fair bit of research on the net but have no experience driving/owning a European car. Any advice, suggestions, useful information would be greatly appreciated that could help with my decision.

    It would be great to hear from someone.
    Dave ;The "BEST" advice you could possibly be given is "Wait for the diesel" it will be a cracker, especially if it comes into Aus with the 2 ltr , motor.

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    It is true that a diesel engine can last a lot longer than a petrol, BUT they like frequent oil changes. As a general guide, do an oil and filter change at least TWICE as often as often as recommended. Pay attention to the air cleaner too, especially if you are in a dusty environment. Change the belts more often than recommended aswell.
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    Dave,

    Diesel engines do last longer then petrol. Diesel engine is noiser then petrol althought C4 is very quiet for diesel. I don't know official figures for the car but it is not sluggish at all. Bare in mind that it is not sports car so it is not fast but I was doing 190km on autobahn without problems. Big disadvantage in Australia for diesel engines is that the cars, to buy, are more expensive and diesel is more expensive than petrol.



    [QUOTE=dgg9879]Thanks Igor,

    I'm starting to think the diesel may be the best option. I've heard that diesel engines last longer too. From what you've said they seem cheaper both to run and maintain. Please tell me are there any disadvantages? Was the 1.6 HDi sluggish? Do diesel engines actually last twice as long as petrol engines? Sounds like yours was very reliable - is that generally the case with diesels?

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    Default I assume you're talking about the 1.6 diesel....

    Thanks for the advice. Sounds good. I assume you're talking about the 1.6 litre C4 diesel. I guess the best option depends a lot on just how much more expensive the diesel is when it gets here - I read its estimated to cost $30k and what features/options the 1.6 diesel will have compared with the 1.6 petrol. If diesel is more reliable and cheaper to run it may be better. Hopefully the C4 1.6, whether petrol or diesel, would not seem sluggish compared to the 1.8 1987 Pulsar I drive now.

    Diesel engines do last longer then petrol. Diesel engine is noiser then petrol althought C4 is very quiet for diesel. I don't know official figures for the car but it is not sluggish at all. Bare in mind that it is not sports car so it is not fast but I was doing 190km on autobahn without problems. Big disadvantage in Australia for diesel engines is that the cars, to buy, are more expensive and diesel is more expensive than petrol.



    Quote Originally Posted by dgg9879
    Thanks Igor,

    I'm starting to think the diesel may be the best option. I've heard that diesel engines last longer too. From what you've said they seem cheaper both to run and maintain. Please tell me are there any disadvantages? Was the 1.6 HDi sluggish? Do diesel engines actually last twice as long as petrol engines? Sounds like yours was very reliable - is that generally the case with diesels?

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