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    Here is some interesting reading c/o ATECO. Highlights many of Citroens many technology & production sharing activities. Enjoy.......

    CITROňN: STRENGTH THROUGH CO-OPERATION

    By maintaining a highly skilled and flexible manufacturing base and
    carefully managing costs, PSA Peugeot CitroŽn is able to meet its goal of
    sustained long-term growth by producing expanded model line-ups of
    technically innovative yet sensibly priced vehicles.

    This year alone the Group is introducing the Peugeot 1007, the Peugeot 107
    and CitroŽn C1, the Peugeot 407 Coupť, the new Peugeot 307 and the CitroŽn
    C6 - a wide range of vehicles to satisfy an increasingly diverse and
    demanding international customer base.

    To speed the growth behind this high model roll-out and yet keep additional
    costs to a minimum, PSA Peugeot CitroŽn maintains its own platform sharing
    manufacturing policy, while pursuing a clear strategy of joining hands with
    other vehicle manufacturers in long-term technological and manufacturing
    agreements.

    Explaining the benefits of these agreements at the unveiling of the three
    new small cars made jointly with Toyota at the Geneva Motor Show earlier
    this year, Jean-Martin Folz said:

    "Today, more than ever, we feel that this type of partnership between
    independent companies is the most appropriate response to the challenge of
    increasingly global markets and fast-changing customer expectations. These
    "win-win" agreements allow us to share development and production costs
    without renouncing our independence, and to pool skills and expertise. They
    also generate the economies of scale we need to be competitive, by speeding
    our development and increasing production capacity. In addition, such
    cooperations offer many opportunities to learn about each other's culture
    and processes."

    An essential feature of these alliances is that each partner remains
    independent, ensuring the Group can deliver a diverse product offering to
    international markets without taking on burdensome capital or equity
    commitments. This also allows these projects to account for significant
    parts of the business without altering the group's core activities.
    For example, the diesel engines cooperation with Ford accounts for
    approximately two thirds of the Group's diesel engine requirements and
    will, this year alone, produce some 3 million diesel engines.

    This cooperation strategy enables the Group to keep a presence in more than
    140 countries. With worldwide sales of 3,375,300 vehicles in 2004, the
    Group has maintained its No. 2 position in Europe as well as expanding
    rapidly in other parts of the world, particularly in Central and Eastern
    Europe, in South America and China. In 2004, the Group sold 951,000
    vehicles on international markets, 16% up on 2003 and accounting for 28% of
    total sales.

    PSA Peugeot CitroŽn has for decades demonstrated an ability to forge
    technological and manufacturing agreements which respect each partner's
    personality and independence. It has worked with Renault on V6 engines and
    mid-range automatic transmissions, with Fiat on MPVs and light commercial
    vehicles and with the Ford Motor Company on a comprehensive line of common
    rail direct injection diesel engines, with Toyota on small entry-level
    European cars and with BMW on small, high-tech gasoline engines. This
    strategy is continuing with Fiat and Tofas for the joint development and
    production of a small utility vehicle and with Mitsubishi Motors
    Corporation in SUVs.


    Cooperation Projects with Vehicle Manufacturers in Detail

    Renault
    PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Renault have been working together for more than 30
    years on the development of powertrain components. The two groups currently
    produce V6 petrol engines and automatic gearboxes at La FranÁaise de
    Mťcanique, in Douvrin, northern France.

    History
    1966: The Chairmen of Peugeot and Renault sign a cooperation agreement for
    the joint production of mechanical subassemblies.

    1969: The partners establish La FranÁaise de Mťcanique to produce
    long-series components and engines and the Sociťtť de Transmissions
    Automatiques (STA) to produce automatic transmissions for Renault and
    rear-axle assemblies for Peugeot at its Ruitz plant in northern France.

    1971: Peugeot and Renault join forces with Volvo to design and build a V6
    engine at La FranÁaise de Mťcanique. Volvo withdraws from the venture in
    1980.

    1992: PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Renault sign a technological and industrial
    agreement to develop a new family of automatic transmissions.

    1996: La FranÁaise de Mťcanique introduces the new V6 Petrol engine for mid
    and high-end Renault, Peugeot and CitroŽn models.

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    1997: The BVA self-acting automatic transmission is introduced, to be
    manufactured at the STA plant in Ruitz and PSA Peugeot CitroŽn's plant in
    Valenciennes at a cost to each partner of FRF1.4 billion.

    2000: The partners introduce a new three-litre V6 engine to be gradually
    installed in mid and high-end Renault, Peugeot and CitroŽn cars and
    multipurpose vehicles. 26,800 units produced that year at La FranÁaise de
    Mťcanique.



    Fiat
    PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Fiat have jointly developed and produced LCVs for
    almost 30 years and more recently MPVs. The Sevelnord plant at Hordain,
    northern France and the Sevelsud plant at Val di Sangro, Italy, have
    produced over 3 and a half million LCVs since 1978 and more than half a
    million MPVs since 1994. Recently a three-way agreement with Fiat and the
    Turkish company Tofas was signed to jointly develop and produce a new
    small LCV in Turkey.

    History
    1978: PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Fiat sign their first cooperation agreement
    to design and produce a LCV. This leads to the creation of a joint venture,
    Sociťtť Europťenne de Vťhicules Lťgers (Sevel SpA).

    1981: Production of large LCVs begins at Val di Sangro : the Fiat Ducato,
    the Peugeot J5 and the CitroŽn C25.

    1988: The partnership is extended to replace vehicles in production since
    1981 and a new agreement is signed to design and produce a MPV.

    1993: Production of small LCVs starts at Val di Sangro: the CitroŽn
    Dispatch, the Peugeot Boxer and Fiat Ducato.

    1994: The new Sevelnord plant is brought on stream to produce the Peugeot
    806, CitroŽn Synergie, Fiat Ulysse and Lancia Z (Zeta). The Peugeot Expert,
    CitroŽn Relay and Fiat Scudo (large LCVs) are added to the plant's
    portfolio in 1995.

    2002: Fiat Auto and PSA Peugeot CitroŽn sign an agreement to extend their
    two companies' industrial cooperation for LCVs through to 2017, committing
    around Ä1.7 billion to the manufacture of two new lines from 2005.

    2005: Fiat, PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Tofas sign a cooperation agreement to
    develop and produce small, entry-level LCVs powered by especially fuel
    efficient engines at the Tofas plant in Bursa, Turkey for rollout in 2008.
    Destination: European markets. Annual production capacity will be 135,000
    units, of which 2/3 for PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and 1/3 for Fiat including
    Tofas. Total investment, including R & D and production start-up costs
    estimated roughly at Euros 350 Million.



    Ford
    With a development and production investment of Ä1.22 billion, this joint
    cooperation will see the 2 partners become the world's leading diesel
    engine manufacturers in the short term, producing some 3 million diesel
    engines in 2005 - more than 9,000 engines a day. The JV will produce and
    market 4 families of common rail direct injection diesel engines;
    1.4-litre, 1.6-litre, second-generation 2-litre, and 2.7-litre V6 engine,
    plus a new family of engines for light commercial vehicles.
    History
    1998: PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Ford Motor Company announce an agreement to
    jointly develop a new family of small common rail diesel engines
    incorporating the latest technologies. With a development target of two and
    a half years, the new engine is to be manufactured at the Douvrin plant.

    1999: An agreement is signed to extend the cooperation over four specific
    phases:
    " An extension of the family of small aluminium diesel engines
    already being engineered by the partners
    " Technological upgrades of a mid-sized second generation HDi engine
    " A family of V-shaped diesel engines for both companies' luxury
    vehicles
    " An extended range of diesel engines with new technologies to equip
    commercial vehicles.

    2001: PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Ford Motor Company introduce the first direct
    injection diesel engine developed under their cooperation agreement.
    Marketed as the 1.4 HDi by PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and as the Duratorq TDCi 1.4
    by Ford, the engine is to equip PSA Peugeot CitroŽn Platform 1 and 2
    vehicles and Ford's small and mid-range cars.

    2003: With a further investment of nearly Ä1 billion, PSA Peugeot CitroŽn
    and Ford introduce a new 1.6-litre and a 2-litre common rail direct
    injection diesels to be manufactured at PSA Peugeot CitroŽn's Trťmery plant
    - northern France - and to gradually equip both partners' model lines in
    the second half of 2003. PSA Peugeot CitroŽn have the lead in the
    engineering production and production for the first 2 phases of 1.4, 1.6
    and 2.0 engine families

    Also announced is a new high performance 2.7 litre V6 diesel engine to be
    produced at Ford purpose-built facilities at Dagenham in the UK. This new
    engine will debut on a Jaguar model (the S type). The project represents
    an investment of Ä350 million by Ford Motor Company and PSA Peugeot
    CitroŽn. Ford has the lead and production responsibility for this V6
    premium diesel engine and for the forthcoming range of LCV diesel engines.

    2004: the 2 partners announce plans for expansion of diesel engine
    production for the 1.4, 1.6 and 2.0 litre. Addition of production
    facilities for 1.4 and 1.6 at Ford Dagenham from 2007, and for the 2.0 at
    Volvo's Kovde engine plant in Sweden from 2006. This is a clear indicator
    of the strength of the cooperation between Ford & PSA Peugeot CitroŽn.


    Toyota
    In 2001, the two groups signed a cooperation agreement to jointly develop
    and produce 3 small cars to be marketed primarily to the European market -
    The Peugeot 107, CitroŽn C1 and Toyota Aygo - at a brand new plant in
    KolŪn, 60 kilometres east of Prague in the Czech Republic.

    Toyota has the responsibility of the major part of the developing of the
    vehicles and of the construction of the plant. PSA Peugeot CitroŽn develops
    the seats and the diesel engine installation and is responsible for project
    procurement, selecting suppliers from both Groups' regular rosters but also
    locally - approximately 80% of purchasing volumes, representing more than
    50% of total sourcing value, come from the Czech Republic.

    Production started in March 2005 at the Toyota Peugeot CitroŽn Automobile
    (TPCA) plant in Kolin, which will have a capacity of 300,000 vehicles a
    year - 200,000 units for Peugeot and CitroŽn and 100,000 for Toyota. The
    project represents a total investment (R & D and industrial expenditure) of
    around Ä1.3 billion and will employ some 3,000 people.

    History
    March 2002: Toyota Peugeot CitroŽn Automobile Czech (TPCA) is created.

    October 2002: First stone is laid by Jean-Martin Folz, Chairman of PSA
    Peugeot CitroŽn, and Fujio Cho, President of Toyota Motor Corporation. The
    site will cover some 120 hectares and will offer complete vehicle
    manufacturing facilities: stamping, welding, final assembly and painting.

    December 2004: First official photos of the 3 cars are published: the
    Peugeot 107, Toyota Aygo and CitroŽn C1 are revealed as modern
    four-passenger vehicles.

    February 2005: The first production models of the Peugeot 107, Toyota Aygo
    and CitroŽn C1 roll off the TPCA assembly line. The vehicles go on show for
    the first time on the eve of the Geneva Motor Show.

    June 2005: TPCA officially opens.


    BMW
    In 2002, PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and BMW announced a cooperation to jointly
    develop and produce a new family of small technically advanced petrol
    engines in a new unit at La FranÁaise de Mťcanique in Douvrin, north west
    France. The engines will equip small and mid-size Peugeot and CitroŽn cars
    and the BMW Mini from 2006. Total output expected: around one million units
    a year, or 2,500 a day.

    The new engine family is a significant move for both partners in fulfilling
    the self-commitment assumed by European car makers within their European
    Association (ACEA), promising to reduce fleet consumption and, as a result,
    CO2 emissions to 140 g/km by the year 2008.

    History
    July 2002: PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and BMW Group announce that they have joined
    forces to develop and manufacture a new family of small gasoline engines.
    Peugeot, CitroŽn and future variants of MINI vehicles will be equipped with
    the engines from this cooperation project. The BMW Group R&D department is
    in charge of designing the engines with the common project team based in
    Munich. PSA Peugeot CitroŽn will manage process development, engineering
    for production, manufacturing as well as procurement.

    January 2003: PSA Peugeot CitroŽn to manufacture the new family of small
    gasoline engines at a new production unit within the FranÁaise de Mťcanique
    plant at Douvrin.
    Developed on the same production model designed for the 1.4-litre HDi
    common rail diesel engine, the highly integrated production unit comprises
    machining lines for the main engine components (cylinder head, crankcase,
    crankshaft, and connecting rod) and related assembly lines. The new unit
    will cover around 60,000 square meters and represents an investment of some
    Ä430 million. At full capacity, it will employ 850 people producing up to
    2,500 engines a day.

    December 2004: PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and BMW Group unveil the
    state-of-the-art technologies deployed in their new gasoline engines. 2
    engines at launch: A 1.6-litre 85 kW (115 hp) normally aspirated engine and
    a 1.6-litre 105 kW (143 hp) direct injection, compressed turbo engine.


    Mitsubishi
    In February 2005 , PSA Peugeot CitroŽn and Mitsubishi sign a memorandum of
    understanding for a partnership on a new SUV platform, with 30,000 vehicles
    a year to be produced in Japan and sold under the Peugeot and CitroŽn
    marques.

    Scheduled for rollout in 2007, the Peugeot and CitroŽn versions will be
    styled differently, but both will be equipped with the latest HDi diesel
    engines fitted with the Group's Diesel Particulate Filter System (DPFS).
    They aim to attract new customers in predominantly European markets.

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    dont mind any of that, except the SUV bit. Just what we need - another bloody wank tank sucking down precious fuel like its going out of fashion (which it is now that i think about it )

    one of the things I like about froggy cars - intelligent design and marketing. An SUV is not intelligent in anyones language except the bean counters - bloody good profit margins on those things
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haakon
    dont mind any of that, except the SUV bit. Just what we need - another bloody wank tank sucking down precious fuel like its going out of fashion (which it is now that i think about it )

    one of the things I like about froggy cars - intelligent design and marketing. An SUV is not intelligent in anyones language except the bean counters - bloody good profit margins on those things
    If the SUV is going to be based on the "Outlander/Airtrek" platform and running HDI motors I dont think there will be much to worry about consumption wise in my opinion! Id imagine the platform to weigh similar to a wagon of a similar size and doesnt the current Outlander run some form of modified lancer 4x4 running gear?

    If PSA put some really really good technology into this car, it sure will be a change from the other SUV's there on the market!

    Anyways

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    Its all interesting food for thought though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney
    Its all interesting food for thought though....
    Me thinks one day we will see only one major manufacture word wide

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    Me thinks one day we will see only one major manufacture word wide

    I hope not as this would be awful for consumers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    If the SUV is going to be based on the "Outlander/Airtrek" platform and running HDI motors I dont think there will be much to worry about consumption wise in my opinion! Id imagine the platform to weigh similar to a wagon of a similar size and doesnt the current Outlander run some form of modified lancer 4x4 running gear?

    If PSA put some really really good technology into this car, it sure will be a change from the other SUV's there on the market!

    Anyways

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    Let us hope that they get the 4x4 technology right, everytime citroen has done a 4x4 so far, the AX, BX, C25D, were ALL DISASTERS, which did not seel very well, and soon became 2wd, as the drive train was extremely fragile! In the AX 4x4 owners book for example, it says you must not use 4x4 on tarmac or concrete roads!!! What a joke! john s
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    Quote Originally Posted by smiffy1071
    Let us hope that they get the 4x4 technology right, everytime citroen has done a 4x4 so far, the AX, BX, C25D, were ALL DISASTERS, which did not seel very well, and soon became 2wd, as the drive train was extremely fragile! In the AX 4x4 owners book for example, it says you must not use 4x4 on tarmac or concrete roads!!! What a joke! john s
    Wasn't there a 4x4 Mehari? ISTR some pics of those on the web.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frogless-Skippy
    Wasn't there a 4x4 Mehari? ISTR some pics of those on the web.
    Oh yeah, I forgot about those! Now that one was a bit different, didn't they have 2 engines, one back and one front? john s
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    'scuse my ignorance, what does PSA stand for?

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    Yep all my cars are *real* Citroens (we won't count Angs BX or Xantia poogoe rebadged devices).

    They haven't mentioned Panhard, Maserati, Wankel .... Citroen has owned these companies over the years. The GS and CX was to have the wankel engine, they owned Maserati and fitted a maserati motor to the SM. etc, etc.... Certainly doesn't make the SM or CX/GS not a *real* Citroen though (you just gotta drive one to know that).

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    Quote Originally Posted by catshamlet
    'scuse my ignorance, what does PSA stand for?

    Mike.
    As fas as I know it is Peugeot with the French company abbreviations after it which is Sociťtť Anonyme. Thus PSA. In Australia we have Pty Ltd etc etc, whilst it is usually GMbH or AG in Germany & SpA in Italy for a shared company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smiffy1071
    Oh yeah, I forgot about those! Now that one was a bit different, didn't they have 2 engines, one back and one front? john s
    I think there was a 'Push-me Pull you' twin engined 2CV called the Sahara. The Mehari 4x4 had a single engine and transfer case. There is some info here about Mehara variants:

    http://www.geocities.com/Paris/9896/meha-etc.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Yep all my cars are *real* Citroens (we won't count Angs BX or Xantia poogoe rebadged devices).

    They haven't mentioned Panhard, Maserati, Wankel .... Citroen has owned these companies over the years. The GS and CX was to have the wankel engine, they owned Maserati and fitted a maserati motor to the SM. etc, etc.... Certainly doesn't make the SM or CX/GS not a *real* Citroen though (you just gotta drive one to know that).

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    Predictably, i have put in a minor correction.... Wankel is not a company - its a type of motor. NSU owns the rights to the Wankel design, and got in bed with Citroen for the Comotor thing, Citroen never owning any part of NSU - just a joint venture.

    But agreed on the SM bit - that is a real Citroen as far as I am concerned and i WILL one day have one!!
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