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    Quick question to the forum re indicative running cost for cx turbo relative to BX 16v and recommended method for getting car to WA . I am preparing to bid on The Bob Cav car and doing my sums and need a little encouragement and info to give me confidence .

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    We have been running a CX2500 GTi Turbo for about 8years ('96 I think it was my father purchased it in the UK).

    Dad spent nothing other than oil changes and god awful expensive petrol tanks full of fuel when he used it in the UK.

    Since I've had it I've spent considerable time and a few $$$ on it.

    --New rear arm bearings both rear sides
    --Rebuilt the front left suspension
    --I'm currently patiently waiting for lower arm bushes to appear on ebay before rebuidling the drivers front (rebuilding is new ball joints and lower arm bushes/bearings after 136,000miles. Don't complain, new poogoes on here seem to need them at 1/8th of that milage).
    --the wiring ... what a pain, there every big multi-plug I've pulled apart has been green with corrosion.
    --the injection computer died. It has a dead diode in it which I will fix (I got another from John Smith in the UK).
    --I'm currently have it in bits doing a clutch change.

    Lets first say I purchased the car from my father 2years ago knowing it needed quite a bit of work. ie:

    -- the clutch was soft, and could be made slip if not careful
    -- both rear arm bearings need replacing
    -- the front suspension had quite a bit of ball joint wear.
    -- It needs a new roof lining (not yet done)

    And a stack of other minor jobs that don't really matter at all.

    As you can see, nothing at all to do with the power the car has, it's no more expensive than a bog standard CX to run IMO. They have MUCH more power though. I'm yet to ever hear of a standard CX turbo motor giving problems (the cars in the UK rust away around the still good running gear).

    It would be MUCH cheaper than a BX16valve to run as the only routine maitenance is fluid changes. No worrying about cam belts, cam tensioners, fragile 16valve heads, water pumps, complex hoses and temperature issues etc, etc, etc....

    Can you DIY, your going to be fleeced by unscrupulous specialists due to that "complex exotic turbo charged Citroen" if your not very careful.

    Do check all the standard CX things first. ie:

    --soft engine mounts
    --rear arm bearings
    --front ball joints and arm bushes/bearings
    --rust .... check CX turbo's UNDERNEATH, NOT on the outside like you would with a normal CX. Cars from the UK rust underneath, not on the outside due to the roads being salted.

    good luck !!! I certainly wouldn't be put off. They are no more expensive than any bog standard CX to run IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    We have been running a CX2500 GTi Turbo for about 8years ('96 I think it was my father purchased it in the UK).

    Dad spent nothing other than oil changes and god awful expensive petrol tanks full of fuel when he used it in the UK.

    Since I've had it I've spent considerable time and a few $$$ on it.

    --New rear arm bearings both rear sides
    --Rebuilt the front left suspension
    --I'm currently patiently waiting for lower arm bushes to appear on ebay before rebuidling the drivers front (rebuilding is new ball joints and lower arm bushes/bearings after 136,000miles. Don't complain, new poogoes on here seem to need them at 1/8th of that milage).
    --the wiring ... what a pain, there every big multi-plug I've pulled apart has been green with corrosion.
    --the injection computer died. It has a dead diode in it which I will fix (I got another from John Smith in the UK).
    --I'm currently have it in bits doing a clutch change.

    Lets first say I purchased the car from my father 2years ago knowing it needed quite a bit of work. ie:

    -- the clutch was soft, and could be made slip if not careful
    -- both rear arm bearings need replacing
    -- the front suspension had quite a bit of ball joint wear.
    -- It needs a new roof lining (not yet done)

    And a stack of other minor jobs that don't really matter at all.

    As you can see, nothing at all to do with the power the car has, it's no more expensive than a bog standard CX to run IMO. They have MUCH more power though. I'm yet to ever hear of a standard CX turbo motor giving problems (the cars in the UK rust away around the still good running gear).

    It would be MUCH cheaper than a BX16valve to run as the only routine maitenance is fluid changes. No worrying about cam belts, cam tensioners, fragile 16valve heads, water pumps, complex hoses and temperature issues etc, etc, etc....

    Can you DIY, your going to be fleeced by unscrupulous specialists due to that "complex exotic turbo charged Citroen" if your not very careful.

    Do check all the standard CX things first. ie:

    --soft engine mounts
    --rear arm bearings
    --front ball joints and arm bushes/bearings
    --rust .... check CX turbo's UNDERNEATH, NOT on the outside like you would with a normal CX. Cars from the UK rust underneath, not on the outside due to the roads being salted.

    good luck !!! I certainly wouldn't be put off. They are no more expensive than any bog standard CX to run IMO.

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    Forgot to mention the biggest running cost

    BX's will return about 30mpg around town, and low 40's on the highway.

    The CX turbo will average about 24mpg around town. And 34mg on the highway. So you will use a LOT more petrol !!! Well it's a much bigger heavier car. They use LESS petrol than a standard non turbo charged CX I never got better than 28mpg out of my CX 2400 5spd.

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    Icon14 Thanks for the advice

    Yes I can and do a lot of work on my cars but the electronics and trying to keep at least one car reliable and on the road including the tax deduction game means that I will be trusting the car to my loyal mechanic . The bx costs me ~$2000-3000 pa to keep perfect and it does get a bit of a hammering on regular country trips and other foolish escapades .Does the Cx eat front tyres like the Bx if used hard - at least the Bx tires are only ~$100 each but at $4-500 for the metrics thats more than for the avons on my english brick thanks again THINKING THINKING THINKING

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    3-4000 grand a year to run a BX faaaarrrrrrrkkkkkkkkkk, the CX 2500 GTi Turbo has cost far less than that to run for 8years.

    As for injection problems. It's just bog standard Bocsh injection as fitted to 100's of other makes of cars. Don't let that put you off.

    Seriously, oil changes ..... Lots of them, that's all I do. Yes, very hard on front tires if you drive like I do. My father had chucked the bloody awful TRX tires to the sh!thouse before bringing the car to Australia. I have fitted a set of standard 16" aftermarket wheels. Simex performance tires are $120bux each for it (I think the awesome tires... Absolutely bloody brilliant for the price).

    Chuck the god awful TRX's in the back corner of the shed for concours events. I wouldn't want to drive a car fitted with TRX's (they were bloody shocking on Renault Fuegos).

    Best person to speak to is Bob. I think he spent considerable $$$ on that car sorting it.

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    there is also the CX turbo not far from here that is for sale as well that has been run over with a fine tooth comb from top to bottom to make sure that everything that needed to be done or was going to need doing has been done

    i actually saw the car again just the other day and how i wished i had some spare $$$ to bring it home
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    As Shane suggests, you could fit non standard wheels and tyres to it. Considering the lack of corners in WA you could probably even go back to standard CX 14" mags for normal stuff and put the metrics on for show days.

    Knowing what happened re training three DSs back from Cit In, I would be VERY choosy about who you got to transport it. Remember a flat Cit has zero suspension so every bump and lump that is transmitted through the truck or train would come through to your vehicle. Also you must be careful and ensure the car has interior signs warning the drivers to ensure the car is up to ride height before moving or there will be NO suspension and worse still ZERO brakes ( real handy when reversing off a truck as Ron Purvis from Qld found out once thanks to a towie)

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO
    As Shane suggests, you could fit non standard wheels and tyres to it. Considering the lack of corners in WA you could probably even go back to standard CX 14" mags for normal stuff and put the metrics on for show days.

    Knowing what happened re training three DSs back from Cit In, I would be VERY choosy about who you got to transport it. Remember a flat Cit has zero suspension so every bump and lump that is transmitted through the truck or train would come through to your vehicle. Also you must be careful and ensure the car has interior signs warning the drivers to ensure the car is up to ride height before moving or there will be NO suspension and worse still ZERO brakes ( real handy when reversing off a truck as Ron Purvis from Qld found out once thanks to a towie)

    More later.
    A CX turbo would be waaaayyyy to undertired with 14" rubber. High quality 15" could be a good comprimise. The 16" works really nicely, however the rear spats don't fit on mine (due to me test fitting them to my Series I CX which they did fit on But they didn't fit on the series II ).

    390mm TRX rims are about 15 3/4" I think (someone help, I don't have a conversion table handy).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    A CX turbo would be waaaayyyy to undertired with 14" rubber. High quality 15" could be a good comprimise. The 16" works really nicely, however the rear spats don't fit on mine (due to me test fitting them to my Series I CX which they did fit on But they didn't fit on the series II ).

    390mm TRX rims are about 15 3/4" I think (someone help, I don't have a conversion table handy).

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    I'll be heading to Fremantle from Sydney in mid September, perhaps we could work something out

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    I'd probably bid on it, but Shane has scared me with the "unusual" - "different" or "unique" driving style of the CX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uga Boga
    I'd probably bid on it, but Shane has scared me with the "unusual" - "different" or "unique" driving style of the CX.
    Don't be scared. You just need to drive one for a few days, and you'll realise every other car infact drives like cr@p, and the CX is the way all cars should drive.

    There slowly getting there, a lot of cars now have high geared speed sensitive steering ... It's just not quite upto CX standards yet. Me I'd love it to be the SM like 2turns lock to lock. They dumbed it down to make the CX easier to drive for poeple back in the 70's. Could you imagine stepping out of a HQ holden with 1/4turn of steering slack around center and 6turns lock to lock, to the fully power steered CX with only 2.5 turns lock to lock, absolutely NO slack, and speed sensitive. In current times it shouldn't be such a problem, but back then it would have been a hell of a learning curve

    Go for it mate !!! There's two of these CX turbos for sale up there. I'd suggest it as a second car up Sydney way though, why waste a nice CX in heavy peak hour traffic where the inefficient air-con isn't going to be much good. Use a cr@ppy little modern efficent car for that (maybe a Xsara or C4) and keep the CX for fun

    My case is different, Ballarat has a peak 5minutes so I'm not sitting for hours in traffic. Every drive is fun

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    Icon14 Thanks Again For The Response

    Thanks for all the input .The information has been invaluable .I do admit that I spend far more than I should on my cars but thats what happens when your a complusive obsessive mysoginist whose not into breeding ,drinking or gambling .At least if a car is giving you the sh..ts you can just put a cover over it until you get over it and it wont chase you down the street or crap on the garden.
    My only concern is that i may have ignited to much interest in this car and shot myself in the foot re the chance of a bargain .
    Chris tell me more about your tease of transport assisstance . I do'nt know about a nulla-bore run in an untested car also pickup from sale etc and payment of speeding fines on the trip over ?
    Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL
    Thanks for all the input .The information has been invaluable .I do admit that I spend far more than I should on my cars but thats what happens when your a complusive obsessive mysoginist whose not into breeding ,drinking or gambling .At least if a car is giving you the sh..ts you can just put a cover over it until you get over it and it wont chase you down the street or crap on the garden.
    My only concern is that i may have ignited to much interest in this car and shot myself in the foot re the chance of a bargain .
    Chris tell me more about your tease of transport assisstance . I do'nt know about a nulla-bore run in an untested car also pickup from sale etc and payment of speeding fines on the trip over ?
    Thanks again
    It's a CX, as long as the cooling system is in reasonable shape it'll get there. You can't kill these bloody cars even if you try (I tried quite a lot back when I was a 'P' plater ).

    I'd be more worried about the poor b@stard sitting under that big windscreen on a 45+degree day with inefficient air-con

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    Not sure how serious to be, but I am going to a conference in Fremantle mid September, which I was planning on flying to. Drop me a PM if you're looking like buying the car...

    If that car is half as good as it looks it shouldn't even crack a sweat on a 5000km trip (although wiser heads than mine may beg to differ). You'd probably come out ahead money/damage wise over putting it on the train too. Speeding tickets are proportional to the heaviness of the right foot!

    I'm probably not a good person to talk to about pick-up from point of sale/storage -- I haven't got a spare covered parking space and it would be a shame if the car got hailed on! I see the vendor is in Sydney so maybe you could sort something out with him or Shannons.


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    Default The only problem -benefit of living in the West

    Thanks for the thought Chris i think your right re transport . All these logistics of transport definetly make it tedious getting cars from the east but also tempers the spur of the moment descisions I will talk to shannons

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    You can't kill these bloody cars
    Ok, it was a 2400 injection, not a 25 turbo, but I still remember cooling my heels waiting for a Landcruiser to come out and tow me on a chain the 30ks into Barcaldine after seizing the motor many, many years ago.
    (Poor UK maintenance - blocked oil chambers - had oil, it just wasn't circulating properly )

    Nothing quite like trying to guide a sinking CX on the end of a chain....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ARCHRIVAL
    Quick question to the forum re indicative running cost for cx turbo relative to BX 16v and recommended method for getting car to WA . I am preparing to bid on The Bob Cav car and doing my sums and need a little encouragement and info to give me confidence .
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    The tyre's on the CX Turbo 2 are not TRX but have been changed to Avon 360 220 (metric) $400 each! I could not get original size 360 210 but the 220's fit "just" they were designed for the R/Royce cars of the 80's (still running metric)still on the road .Soft and grippy they are consistant with the Citroen ride they are perfectly balanced though the T' series wheels need to be straightend they are notoriously weak (they have been polished only) I have had an electrical problem for some time I sent the fuel computer to be seen to, it came back as " no problems this had me beaten for some time until the problem was traced to an intermittent working fuel pump ( the one under at the back on the tank) this was fixed and the car is now running beautifully (by the way a commadore fuel pump will do the job here if ever you need to replace it) as for rust I had a section at the back of the car ,right rear replaced mud had got up behind the tail light and caused damage over time . As Shane has said ,the only place they get a problem is in the underside and there is a bit that will need seeing to under drivers side rail about level with driver not much but was missed when I had the car looked at for painting. It has a new W/Sreen I did not like looking through scratches.Syncro second gear has been replaced recently.If you want to talk to me about the car contact me by Email and give me a Phone No and I will ring "you" otherwise 100 people will ring just to talk about the car something I usually don't mine doing , but not at 4 am. Why am I selling?. I have 4 cars I have sold one. I will sell the CX as well (and my other half said!?if ? When!) I keep my 2.2 C5 D (JUST LOVE IT)AND ,AND, I can "LOOK"!? EH! at the C6 when it arrives UM YUMM YUME Bob Cav EMail rncavill@optusnet.com.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Cav
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    The tyre's on the CX Turbo 2 are not TRX but have been changed to Avon 360 220 (metric) $400 each! I could not get original size 360 210 but the 220's fit "just" they were designed for the R/Royce cars of the 80's (still running metric)still on the road .Soft and grippy they are consistant with the Citroen ride they are perfectly balanced though the T' series wheels need to be straightend they are notoriously weak (they have been polished only) I have had an electrical problem for some time I sent the fuel computer to be seen to, it came back as " no problems this had me beaten for some time until the problem was traced to an intermittent working fuel pump ( the one under at the back on the tank) this was fixed and the car is now running beautifully (by the way a commadore fuel pump will do the job here if ever you need to replace it) as for rust I had a section at the back of the car ,right rear replaced mud had got up behind the tail light and caused damage over time . As Shane has said ,the only place they get a problem is in the underside and there is a bit that will need seeing to under drivers side rail about level with driver not much but was missed when I had the car looked at for painting. It has a new W/Sreen I did not like looking through scratches.Syncro second gear has been replaced recently.If you want to talk to me about the car contact me by Email and give me a Phone No and I will ring "you" otherwise 100 people will ring just to talk about the car something I usually don't mine doing , but not at 4 am. Why am I selling?. I have 4 cars I have sold one. I will sell the CX as well (and my other half said!?if ? When!) I keep my 2.2 C5 D (JUST LOVE IT)AND ,AND, I can "LOOK"!? EH! at the C6 when it arrives UM YUMM YUME Bob Cav EMail rncavill@optusnet.com.
    Whenever I hear "fuel pump" I envision the blue relay under the RH headlight. This is where your intermittant problem is. I have had issues with this, as has just about every CX owner in the UK. I gave up trying to clean the spade terminals on the the relay and fitted new brass terminals, soldering them on and covering the connections with heat shrink.

    Just try a search on Big Blue (the tachometric fuel relay) on the Citroen CX lists and you'll know what I mean

    BTW: A lot of people replace this thinking it'll fix there problems (the shiny new terminals on the new relay will fix the problems for a short time) however you really need to replace the spade terminals in the plug that plugs to the relay. Most Bosch injected cars use this same relay and it is available off the shelf at just about any auto-electricians (so much for 'difficult, and hard to get injection parts ).

    Next to big blue is the injection relay, this will give the same problem if it has dirty connections.

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