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    Hi Froggies,
    I couldn't believe my eyes this morning while reading the local paper. There is an ad for a white CX 2500 turbo GTI...for $15,000.00.

    The ad reads as follows...
    Citroen CX GTI TURBO 2
    The ultimate CX, turbo, intercooler,special suspension,Leather,air cond,electric everything,ABS,tints,alloys,1988,all original, very rare,very fast,collectors item. NBW 950.
    $15,000 ono 0416 174 855.
    Mt. Eliza.

    Hey Alan, I wonder if it's the "hatch back" model??
    Cheers....George.

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    Here's an update....the car hasn't sold yet...this weeks paper has the same ad repeated, same price too. Cheers...George.
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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th
    Hi Froggies,
    I couldn't believe my eyes this morning while reading the local paper. There is an ad for a white CX 2500 turbo GTI...for $15,000.00.

    The ad reads as follows...
    Citroen CX GTI TURBO 2
    The ultimate CX, turbo, intercooler,special suspension,Leather,air cond,electric everything,ABS,tints,alloys,1988,all original, very rare,very fast,collectors item. NBW 950.
    $15,000 ono 0416 174 855.
    Mt. Eliza.

    Hey Alan, I wonder if it's the "hatch back" model??
    Cheers....George.


    Here's an update....the car hasn't sold yet...this weeks paper has the same ad repeated, same price too. Cheers...George.
    Has anyone got any idea how much this car will realistically sell for?

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    If it's as good as it reads, possibly somewhere near what it's advertised for.

    Alan S
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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th
    Has anyone got any idea how much this car will realistically sell for?
    Hi Guys,

    I would say realistically my car would probably be worth about $10,000. The reason for this is it needs a coat of paint, and new front suspension balljoints/lower arm bushes.

    To get an idea of value consider how much it would cost to import the same car. The only good CX's left in the UK appear to be in the hands of Citroen specialists (with highly inflated prices, that I'm sure they WILL eventually get), and in the hands of enthusiests that would NEVER sell them.

    This leaves all the ordinary daily driven CX's left. They are worth next to nothing and are unsalable. There is a Machonics converted CX2500 GTi Turbo II for sale in the UK at the moment, the owner started at 500pounds and is now down to 200pounds. This is no ordinary CX GTi Turbo, it's had the tuning specialist Machonics go over it, produces 210+hp (reliably) has Cosworth competition clutch etc,etc. (the basic Machonics package). You'll most likely find it's your average CX so will be a rusted out heap (remember they salt the roads over there, the youngest CX being about 17years old will have 17years of salt damage).

    So you either pay premium $$$ say 2500-3500pounds to find a car worth importing, triple that to get australian $$$, add a couple of thousand for shipping, another couple of thousand to get it complianced, etc, etc....

    All of a sudden the above nicely sorted car is looking like quite a good buy ....

    The alternative is to by something like the Machonics CX above, spend about $5000-8000 to have it landed in the country and find out it's to rusty to allow you to ever legally register it

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    ..... or take a front cut and transplant the power unit into a GTi or CX Turbo to make a real flier ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan S
    If it's as good as it reads, possibly somewhere near what it's advertised for.

    Alan S
    Hi Alan, Shane, Peter, looking at the photo in the ad it looks like a nice car, however you can't tell from the ad how many ks it's been driven, what it's rear arm bearings, front ball joints , lower bush rubbers, hydraulics , body rust etc etc. are like.
    It's probably what you would expect for an 88 model car. We don't know if it's a full auto, c-matic or manual.
    If I had muchos moulos I might be interested, just for a turbo model.
    Back to reality, hopefully by summer I might be driving my red CX.
    That'll be enough to keep me happy.
    Cheers...George.

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    All turbo's are 5spd manuals, most are fitted with all options, ie: sunroofs, electric mirrors, electric windows, climate control, cetral locking/remote entry. Oil level/pressure/temp guages, water temp guage, boost guage, tacho, trip computer and outside temperature.

    Lots & lots of gizmos to go wrong

    The condition of arm bearings, bushes and balljoints wouldn't be an issue if you were to purchase one. Beggers can't be choosers 'cos there no others to choose from Rust is the only real important thing.

    Most CX's need the bushes, ball joints and bearings (as they drive so well with them collapsed people don't realise until they go for a RWC --and even then only if the RWC tester checks them properly).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    All turbo's are 5spd manuals......
    Except the one belonging to the current editor of the CCCV mag (and Citroen Visa Collector ) - there were a few 'non-approved' Autos made - the poor ZF 3-speed is really at its limits with a CX turbo!!

    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Rust is the only real important thing.......
    And his just proves the point here - he bought it for a song in the UK, but is looking at replacing the whole centre section of the body . A VERY long term project. And no doubt NOT cheap.

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    Yeah,

    Leigh Miles was on the CX list for the whole time he was overseas. He had already discovered how rusty his CX2500 GTi Turbo (that's been converted to an automatic) is. Last I heard about it in the UK is he was looking for a 'good one' as his was to rusty to do anything with, then 6months later he has it landed in Australia Citroens are kinda like that, you just can't bear to let them go.

    I'm sure Leigh will restore/sort that car given time. Every rusted out CX out here will have the parts he requires as our cars doen't rust 'underneath'.

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    Hi all
    Curiousity got the better of me and being in Red Hill I had a look at this beast...
    First impression was that it looked ok...certainly not concours
    car had been de rusted??? by Mel carey approx 6 years ago and I saw lashings of a tar like substance everywhere...rust was coming back on most doors and on rear bumber mount...couldnt get under the car to determine what that was like....one front headlight needed replacement
    inside the car headlining was falling down...leather was worn and needed some work in places...cubby hole compartment doors were all broken...A/C not working very well...heater worked well....all electric windows and mirrors worked....oil leaks both hydraulic and oil in engine bay....
    driving the car took some getting used to...real take off could be acheived keeping car around 3500 rpm but I didnt feel confident as car seemed to twitch all over the place (my driving perhaps????) still did not inspire confidence..that plus the speed limit....I don't believe you could use this car to it's potential in urban areas....a car for the bush...yes but I would rather have a SM at the price sought....
    An interesting and rare car but just didnt stand out for me
    Cheers guys
    PS I took photos and will post when developed!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy
    Hi all
    Curiousity got the better of me and being in Red Hill I had a look at this beast...
    First impression was that it looked ok...certainly not concours
    car had been de rusted??? by Mel carey approx 6 years ago and I saw lashings of a tar like substance everywhere...rust was coming back on most doors and on rear bumber mount...couldnt get under the car to determine what that was like....one front headlight needed replacement
    inside the car headlining was falling down...leather was worn and needed some work in places...cubby hole compartment doors were all broken...A/C not working very well...heater worked well....all electric windows and mirrors worked....oil leaks both hydraulic and oil in engine bay....
    driving the car took some getting used to...real take off could be acheived keeping car around 3500 rpm but I didnt feel confident as car seemed to twitch all over the place (my driving perhaps????) still did not inspire confidence..that plus the speed limit....I don't believe you could use this car to it's potential in urban areas....a car for the bush...yes but I would rather have a SM at the price sought....
    An interesting and rare car but just didnt stand out for me
    Cheers guys
    PS I took photos and will post when developed!!!
    Thanks for that Dogboy, you saved me the trouble. It really sounds like the guy is dreaming then. It probably needs thousands spent on it to bring it up to scratch....like bushings, ball joints etc, and I'll bet the steering rack leaks like a seive, along with many other possible pipes and return tubes etc etc.
    And as Shane said the rust would be a major concern.
    Cheers...George.

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    Ahhh yes,

    it must be white is it ?? Or as we have known of it for the last 10years "The rusty one".

    Little plastic doors inside broken (check), headlining falling (check), LCD displays missing segments ?? (check). Basically this has happened to ALL series II CX's I know of. The little doors can be purchased from Andre Pol, the headlining just drops out where you can move it to a table and glue a newie on.

    I'm willing to bet it's knock sensor wasn't hooked up, it should nail you back in the seat and really boogey from about 2200rpm onwards. Mine felt quite flat, but ok'ish on boost for about 8months until I finally figured it out. Due to dodgy connectors that are hidden the computer doesn't see the knock sensor so retards the ignition by a whole 10degrees At about 80mph in 4th gear it should push you back in the seat if you tramp it

    Andrew have you ever driven a CX before It should most certainly NOT be twitchy, but hey if you have never used daravi steering before ....

    Going by your description of rust I feel the going price would possibly be 50% of the asking price ... Its bascically sounds like it's been bodged up. If the rust was repaired properly there's no way it should have come back so soon after being fixed. 'Tar' like substance screams "I'm hiding something" to me. Tar is the WORST thing you can put over rust, it allows the rust to spread like crazy behind it without being visible. Being a UK import it'll be quite rusty underneath, without being real rusty in the body where it's visible.

    I'm sure this car could be bought back to a high standard given your description however given the starting price (which BTW: is twice the $$$ I paid for my non rusty car --Note: from a family member).

    A very nice non rusty car that went extremely well, but needed it's daravi setup properly (bloody so called specialists ) sold in Maleny last year for $8500 from memory. In my mind I thought that car was worth about $15,000.

    If your really interested in buying one of these cars I suggest waiting to another appears on the market. If you want a car to compare to your welcome to come for a spin to Ballarat and I'll demonstrate for you what they should drive like

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    Hi Craig...George
    It did feel a little flat until 3500rpm and by the time it started to move I'd run out of road....
    I once had a CX2400 cmatic but was so sedate it didnt feel like it was on ice
    It just seemed to wander too much and I had trouble keeping the car in a straight line whilst changing gears....more than likely my inexperience with davari steering??
    LCD display was missing bits!!!
    Yes..I thought the multitude of black stuff could be hiding nasties
    no sunroof either on this car
    Would love to compare with your baby...next time I'm you're way I will let you know
    Cheers all

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    Hi Andrew,

    most 'first time' drivers of my car do find it hard to steer straight ... That's daravi for you it should NOT (in capitals) torque steer. First gear is usually Holly sh!T Bugger, just bounced it off the rev limiter with the cars owner next to me ie: first gear has run out before you get the clutch out, grab 2nd and the tacho rapidly climbs to it's redline, but this time the new driver is expecting the speed it does this with (and being 2nd not 1st the tacho needle doesn't hit warp speed), into 3rd, this is a great gear as the torque of the low blow turbo has a chance to be used, it'll pin you back in the seat and rapidly wind around to the red line, where 4th will have you seeing nearly 100mph pretty bloody quickly at which point 5th is still pulling like a bloody freight train and the white lines & trees are screaming past at an insane speed and your brain tells you it's time to lift off 'cos surely it'll run out of puff soon ... I've never had it over about 5000rpm in 5th, but it's still pulling hard at this speed and I see no reason why it wouldn't simply bounce off it's rev limiter in 5th if you didn't lift off

    Around town a BX though nowhere near as fast, however it is more agile, and the gearchange is nicer, the CX gearchange is certainly not the best I've used. Given a half reasonable trip CX's are bloody brilliant, the in gear acceleration is simply phenominal ... You know those @ssholes out on the highways that don't like to let a wierd looking french car past ..... The look as there face is priceless as you overtake them while they are trying to accelerate to keep you behind (one d!ckhead in a brand new Saab comes to mind ). The look on his face when this old french car passed like he was stationary was priceless, it musta been a N/A automatic 'cos didn't even come close .

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    Craig....That's exactly how I drove the beast...except I didnt get it out of third as I didnt want to speed
    It really needs an open stretch of road to give it it's head..that or a driver used to the steering
    I can imagine the look on some drivers faces as you roared past
    Priceless........
    Cheers

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    Pity its not in mint condition - had a chat to the old man about it and he probably would have snatched it had it been good, and around the $10k+ mark.

    At some point I'm going to make an effort to get up to sydney for one of the french car days and get a look at yours Shane - I'd love to see one in the flesh, and maybe even get a ride ! There's a lot of frenchies in sydney I'd like to have a squiz at actually.... Still, for someone willing to put the work in, the car sounds like it could be picked up for not a lot of $$$, and they are few and far between....

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    Shanes in Ballarat.....good excuse for a country drive!!
    Yes..a pity it wasn't in the best condition and it didn't seem he was that negotiable....My girlfriend hated it so even if it was reasonably priced I don't think she would let me buy it!!
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    Hey Reverend Andrew, methinks you been drinkin' too much of the alter wine matey. THIS is Craig writing this, all the other convos have been with Shane - you know the loud mouthed opinionated one from Ballarat, as opposed to the opiniated loud mouthed one from Wollongong


    Anyway, it seems this CX is one of those Cits that keeps reappearing from time to time and everyone gets all excitable. We had one in this area that has been known of for some years as the "Austinmer Safari" Kept on being advertised sporadically for about $4k. It then ended up at a panel beaters at Warrawong and is now finally being scavenged for parts at Euro Autocare at Penrith. It really was a total heap of rust. Even the bonnet was corroding! You get that when a car lives in the open air 50m from the beach for years and years
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy
    Nick
    Shanes in Ballarat.....good excuse for a country drive!!
    Yes..a pity it wasn't in the best condition and it didn't seem he was that negotiable....My girlfriend hated it so even if it was reasonably priced I don't think she would let me buy it!!
    Cheers
    Andrew ... How could she not like it NOTHING is like a good CX, females don't see rust, all she'd see is a really cool looking car

    Maybe you scared her with it's power

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    Oops...Sorry Shane/Craig
    Must be the onset of alzheimers??
    next I'll be calling a DS a GS
    Yes Shane...Power was too much for her ...knew I should have drove it alone
    all the time she kept asking me to slow down!!
    and I wasn't even going that fast
    oh well...no accounting for taste...then again she does like the DS
    Cheers!

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    So Andrew,

    have you found an SM to buy, or were you just thinking you *might* like to own a CX You certainly WILL NOT find an SM for the price of that CX, though I'd love to see you trying to husstle the SM around town (hint: don't take the missus with you ). If the CX was all over the road with 2.5turns lock2lock, just imagine an SM with 2turns lock2lock and a temperamental Masarati V6 to keep alive at the same time

    I doubt I'll ever own an SM so if you buy one "I wanna drive, I wanna drive, I wanna drive, I wanna drive ........I think you get the idea ....... ".

    I imagine there one of those cars where the idea of owning one is more exciting than owning one. You'd just be scared sh!tless the Maserati would sh!t itself, or a bodypanel would get bent. At least with the old CX the turbo donks are near indestructable, they have 4doors, and a lot of there parts can be salvaged from local Series I cars (Oh yeah, and there faster too ). My 'ultimate' DS isn't an SM it's a 50's model DS19

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    I had found a few SM's..all USA spec cars that ranged in price from $2,000 to $8,000 US so I could have got in a SM fairly cheaply but you can imagine how bad the car might be...I had come quite close to buying one when my girlfriend suggests we buy another house instead!!!! at least it came with a garage
    In reality I would be hard pressed to buy another car unless sell one or divorce
    one day..some way...and yes you are most welcome to drive the beast and yes..it will be a manual!
    I love the early nose DS too and that first dash...wonderful but where would we ever find one..still happy with my ID and slopey dash DS
    Never say never about owning cars...I never thought I'd own a Ferrari but I did...you just never know what is around the corner
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