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    Hey,

    I have been looking around and reading about Citroens, now realising what amazing cars they are! I have a few quick questions about what is like to own one!

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    1. Are parts for the CX/DS easy to find and are they expensive?

    2. Can they be used as daily drivers?

    3. Are they easy to work on?

    4. Are they reliable, What happens if somthin does go wrong will the car be off the road for ages?

    Thanks Heaps

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Hey,

    I have been looking around and reading about Citroens, now realising what amazing cars they are! I have a few quick questions about what is like to own one!

    1. Are parts for the CX/DS easy to find and are they expensive?

    2. Can they be used as daily drivers?

    3. Are they easy to work on?

    4. Are they reliable, What happens if somthin does go wrong will the car be off the road for ages?

    Thanks Heaps

    Cyas Stalled
    Lets see:

    1 --No
    2 --Yes
    3 --Yes (define 'easy', they certainly aren't a datsun 120y)
    4 -- a) Yes, b)Upto you how quick you fix 'em.

    Any help

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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    If you aren't pretty mechanically minded (ie capable of more than just a basic service), or don't have a fair bit of cash to throw at it to pay someone else to do so, then a DS or a CX isn't a really smart proposition. The other thing to remember, is that you have to find someone who is capable of working on it. One of the things that put me off buying a Cit, was that back in Tassie, where I probably spend 3 months a year, decent mechanics were few and far between (those who had any citroen experience that is).

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    Why are they difficult to work on

    Lets take the CX:

    --It's a 4cylinder with one camshaft (that will really require a specialist ).
    --It has FWD.... So do most cars on the road now
    --It has an east/west motor layout, this may have been viewed as difficult back in the mid 70's, but most cars on the road do also now.
    --Hydraulics ?? There certainly not difficult, you could simply work around them, or spend 20minutes and learn how to depressurise them.
    --It has 4 tires, they are round.
    --It has a steering wheel, by turing this, the front wheels turn
    --It has Central locking, electric sunroof, electric mirrors, air conditioning. Wow that's gotta require a specialist, no other car has these items.

    Yes there is some things that you'll need to pick up if your going to be a Citroen mechanic proffesionally (ie: debugging problematic hydraulics) but that's hardly difficult, even for someone that only tinkers like me.

    Just be careful of BX16valves, those extra 8valves meens it'll cost a fortune in 'Full Injection services', and 'height adjustments'

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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    Just a few more questions:

    What happens if the suspension goes wrong, is it it easy to fix?

    What commonly goes wrong with it?

    How much would a nice CX GTI sell for?

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    You have picked the most sought after model in Australia, and as such the command a price premium.

    There was a CX2500 GTi for sale on the Aussie Bulletin board that sounded to be an extremely good car (note: I haven't seen this car). The owner wanted $10,000 from memory. If the car is as good as it sounded this would be good buying (note: it's the VERY top end of the CX market though).

    Most CX's are probably worth around $3,000maximum, don't kid yourself into thinking you'll buy a perfect specimen for $500bucks and live hapilly ever after. Even the youngest CX is now 25years old, and as such WILL require some sorting (unless you have managed to pry someones pride & joy from them, that's looked after there car themselves).

    The suspensions don't just 'die'. It just doesn't happen. You will get the occasional low pressure leak as the return lines age. With extreme age the hydraulic pump that powers everything may get slower, but they certainly don't suddenly die without warning. Infact we own about 1dozen Citroens and have driven nothing except them for years, and have NEVER had a hydraulic related problem that's left us stranded.

    Think more along the lines of *old* cars ie:

    --The engine mounts will no doubt be soft and require replacing
    --The ball joints and suspension bushes will no doubt have a lot of wear
    --The sphere's may need regassing (no biggie, there is lots of people around that can re-gass them)
    --The tires ? How are they ?
    --The radiator ? Has it had coolant run in it ? The radiators are MASSIVE, and I imagine a replacment would be very expensive
    --Rust ?? Is it showing any rust ? This will need to be repaired.
    --Windscreen, will it need replacing
    --Headlight lenses, has all the reflector material worn off

    All these very minor things will rapidly add up.

    The major things you don't need to worry about ie:
    --Motor, this will run forever, the really are near indestructable if looked after
    --5spd gearboxs, very strong, rarely give problems, 4spd gearboxs are very hard on sychros. You'll need to build the synchro running surface up if it has dead synchros. C-matics --very tough. Automatics, these are also exceptionally strong.
    --Driveshafts, these are massively overbuilt shafts. Keep there boots intact and they won't give problems
    --Suspension, very, very tough. The rubber bushes in the front bottom arm will display slack when worn, the ball joints wear also (just like any other car).
    --Rear arm bearings, these seem to last about 150,000kms. They are two simple bearings that cost $30bucks each at any bearing supplies

    CX's are a very tough car, but like any car they will require maitenance given there age. There is no doubt I would still now be driving my original CX2400 that I bought when I was about 17years old. There only reason I'm not is the purchase of a CX2500 GTi Turbo

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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    I'd love to have the time, space, tools, and dedication that you have Shane, when it comes to maintaining old Citroens.

    Unfortunately I don't. I'm picking up on a few things here and there but my mechanical ability is definately at beginner level, and I don't have the space for working on the car. Time is an issue as well.

    So where does that leave a young bloke with a passion for old Cits? With an empty wallet....to pay for the 'experts' that can do all the maintenance for you. You can't take it to Joe Blow cos he freaks out just having the thing parked in his driveway.

    STALLED: My advice to you would be to go for it, but tread with care. The pleasure behind DRIVING an old Cit can't be expressed in words. The pleasure behind OWNING an old Cit can be expressed in a few choice four letter words. I bought two of them though so I can keep driving when the other is off the road I'd also recommend a GS too. You can drive them flat out all day, mostly to keep up with traffic (a diesel auto discovery very lazely beat me off the lights yesterday, I cried) but thats half the fun in itself.

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    If your in Syd for the All French Car Day in July, ask some owners to look at their cars. There will be D's there, and I assume some CX and GS of some kind. Alternatly there may be something interesting in Canberra this weekend.

    I have driven a D daily for the last 16 consecutive years. Its the only type of car I have so they have to work (more or less) when I need them to.

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    Hi stalled
    I have a Citroen CX25GTi that is a fantastic car and has caused me minimal problems since I bought it. It is relaible and most things are really easy to work on - the larger items I have done by Denton Christie at European Autocare.
    This vehicle is a five speed manual mated to the 2500cc motor - IMHO the best combination.
    The car is for sale at the moment for $11,500 and can be viewed at www.carsales.com.au. ( I am open to offers)
    Regards, Ian
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    Hmm,

    You let a wank tank beat your GS Actually there's a guy here at work with an automatic turbo diesel Land Drover. Now that thing moves it's bulk off quite rapidly at around town speed, and I have little doubt it'd be faster than a GS.

    The bottom dropped out of the muffler on my GS. I'd have poeple standing on the footpath waiting to see what sort of car would arrive over the horizen. The shock when they see a little wierd french car is making that noise is priceless A GS is a hell of a lot of fun to throw around (once warm, it's a mongrel of a car when the motor is cold). Nothing like that little flat four screaming out to it's redline through the gears, understeer balanced on the throttle around corners (greasy roads produce 4wheel slides with trailing throttle ) Great fun.

    A CX and GS are completely different beasts to drive. You'll find it even harder to find a decent GS than it is to find a decent CX

    seeya,
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    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


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    Ian,

    what a gorgious looking car:



    even the door trims look good. What are you doing Don't sell it !!!!!! You'll regret it in the future

    seeya,
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    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


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    Ian - is that the car from up the Putty Rd? If so it's one of the best CX's around IMHO.


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    Wow, thanks everone for their replies! Now all i have to do is find out which car to get???

    1. 205 GTI
    2. Citroen CX
    3. 505 STI/GTI
    4. Renault 12

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    So what your really saying is it's a toss up between a 205 and a CX. Well you certainly couldn't have picked to more opposite cars

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    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

    Yay ... No Slugomatics


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    Lol yeah i suppose! Anyway what does the CX handle like and how does it perform?

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    CX's are quite quick, and certainly don't feel it.

    They have a lllooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnngggggggggg throttle pedal movement. It takes a very determined person to find the 2nd choke on the carby. They have lots of bodyroll, you need to learn how to 'drive' a CX. They are quite fast around corners, however if your comparing it to a 205, there is no comparison to be made.

    One is a hot hatch with concrete suspension and excelent low speed handling, the other is supremely comfortable with very soft suspension, fantastic high speed cornering and stability. Low speed corners certainly aren't it's forte (that's not to say they can't be hustled around a twisty bit of road, just don't expect to race 205's). On a 'normal' road with bumps in mid corner, pot holes etc... ie: normal driving the CX is an extremely hard car to beat

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    '63 ID19 http://www.aussiefrogs.com/forum/showthread.php?t=90325
    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    put it this way

    i have pugs and there is not much else i would ever own

    i have driven and worked on many different cars over the years

    i will get a CX one day when one turns up that i want

    i was always put off by them after hearing about what they cost to keep on the road but over the last 4 years of bieng a member on this forum i have been turned around in my thinking of them

    i have never driven a citroen but i have riden in a CX once in switzerland owned by a friends uncle who has always had pug's and cit's

    as far as the hydraulics go in them well that's right in my ball park with my trade qualifications so to me it would be pretty easy finding my way around the system and adapting a little thinking that it is in a car not on a machine

    as for the rest of the gear in a citroen, well they are just a car

    to me i think time and knowledge and of course clear thinking is needed to own and keep one unless you have an open wallett and a friendly bank manager which the same can be said for pugs as well

    but i will have preferably a CX parked in my drive one of these days (much to disgust of the other 1/2 )

    but she did say, well at least the CX looks a bit better than those other ones that look like they have been sat on even if it does look a bit like the batmobile
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    Pugrambo,

    mate you gotta train the missus. Mine can pick SM's, series II CX's from Series I, GS's, Xantias, she even knows the SM's have a maserati V6 in them

    She's not a huge fan of the DS shape I don't think, but certainly prefers them to crummydores or Foulcans

    Get this, when I picked up the C-matic she was away for a week (how do you think I got away with it ). The interesting bit ? I was ABUSED for pulling it apart before she could have a drive of it She's not game to drive the CX turbo 'cos I think she's a bit scared of the power (but probably more scared of bending it, she knows I'll never sell that car), but she certainly wanted to take the C-matic for a spin ...

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    '72 DS21 ie 5spd pallas (last looked at ... about 15years ago)
    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    i think mine could be tempted to take a C-matic for a run

    when she sees a pic of a DS she calls it the flat citroen and the CX's are the better ones as they aren't as flat

    the first time she saw a 604 she thought it was a volvo

    she can pick 307's 306's 406's

    505's she just says oh it's just like that one that was in the backyard and 504's she just says oh it looks like that thing ray drives but it looked after

    she saw a 404 once (apart from pug days) and said it was one of those pugs you don't like

    so she is learning and it has been a big learning curve from fords for her
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    1 x '98 406 STDT troop carrier and i don't care if it stinks, i don't sniff it's arse Death by wank tank

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Hey,

    I have been looking around and reading about Citroens, now realising what amazing cars they are! I have a few quick questions about what is like to own one!

    1. Are parts for the CX/DS easy to find and are they expensive?

    2. Can they be used as daily drivers?

    3. Are they easy to work on?

    4. Are they reliable, What happens if somthin does go wrong will the car be off the road for ages?

    Thanks Heaps

    Cyas Stalled
    Hi, my friend has a 25 Pallas and loves it. I've repaired the rust in the doors for him and had a drive. Nice car and way ahead of it's time of manufacture. steering and brakes are excellent. But it is too big for me and a bit floaty.
    He has it serviced by dedicated Frogs (in Melbourne)and it is not excessively expensive to maintain
    Jobo

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    CX's are deceptively quick.

    Mine has fuel injection and that makes it quicker than the normal carb versions. It handles beautifully particularly on run, say to Canberra although you have to watch that you don't exceed the speed limit as it just wants to go faster and faster.
    Unfortunately it has to be sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igat
    CX's are deceptively quick.
    The pinning you back in your seat in acceleration and bouncing off rev limiter is a bit of a give away

    seeya,
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    '78 GS1220 pallas
    '92 Range Rover Classic ... 5spd manual.

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    Wow, thanks everone! Now to look which car to get

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    Quote Originally Posted by STALLED
    Wow, thanks everone! Now to look which car to get

    Cya Stalled
    Regardless of where you are, I'd strongly suggest you take a look at the car Ian (Igat) has for sale as I have pics of it and I know someone who has seen it and it is apparently as good as it looks.
    That model is quite rare and that car is a very attractive colour; a real head turner and at the price asked ($11,000 ono) worth a look.
    If you are anywhere apart from NSW where Ian is, take a look at a Virgin flight, usually $100 - $130 one way and enjoy the drive home.
    If you give us a clue on what you want & the price range, you've got a lot of eyes ready to start searching.

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    As much as that CX looks awesome, im sort of looking around for the next year or so until i can see whats going around. I will post back over the next few moths to see what i like and will try and learn more about the CX and other Citroens.


    Thanks Everyone

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