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    Default How do confirm Pallas ser number

    I think car has just had Pallas interior seats and door cards, other things point to vehicle just being a D special ..
    Vehicle needs mobs of sweat equity added.

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    Ser number is DS FD 07FD 6874

    Engine number dx3 0684001231

    Thanks in advance

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    If that number is taken from the chassis stamp on the lip of the engine bay (or is the same number as both on the chassis and little metal plate) then it points to the car being a D Special or D Super from the 1974 model year - so from somewhere between September 1973 and August 1974. As an 'ID' derivative, it wouldn't have had Pallas trim factory fitted.

    Even if your chassis number had pointed to the car not being an 'ID' variant, but a DS, it wouldn't have told us whether the car was sold as a Pallas or not - as that was a trim option and that kind of detail is not revealed by the chassis number.

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    You sir are a wealth of knowledge on these french wonders.

    Thank you

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    Indeed, a DSpecial will never have been trimmed as a Pallas. A DS on the other had could have come either way, but the chassis number doesn't tell you. If you have a DS21 or 23 Pallas, then the least likely items to be removed in a trim swap are the stainless sill trims screwed onto the outside of the sills and the stainless strip and trims that terminate the carpet on the sills. Similarly, it is often too difficult to change the headlining and the Pallas has a clip in pressed steel surround with more ornate lamps instead of a thick rubber strip. Look at some pictures of the two trim levels and you will see. The exception is that some IDs and I think also DSuper came with a halfway trim level (sometimes called Confort) that included the large armrests used in the DS, but not the trim on the door above the door card. However, owners could have fitted any combination of these over the years.

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    FD serie is a DSpecial but a DX3 motor is a 21 efi motor, a DSpecial should have a DY3 motor if you believe manual 814-1

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    D Super 5 with factory 21 engine??? Hopeful. More likely an engine swap.
    4 or 5 speed gearbox?

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    A DSuper 5 with a 21 engine wouldn't be unheard of however it would never have left the factory with a DX3 engine as fuel injection was only available on the DS21 or 23. If the two stainless steel trim pieces on the dashboard are missing it is an instant giveaway that the car was not originally sold as a pallas. To retro fit them requires taking the dashboard out and totally dismantling it.

    I think a pallas car weighs some 20-30kg more than a comfort spec DS so theoretically the increased weight should be shown on the chassis plate.

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    Which stainless strips on the dash? The only one I can think of on a late Pallas is at the top of the heater slider panel and that's easily replaced?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Which stainless strips on the dash? The only one I can think of on a late Pallas is at the top of the heater slider panel and that's easily replaced?
    Below the textured rubberised protrusion running the length of the left hand side of the dash, yes, can only be fitted with dash removal



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    Looks like a Very Special dash there. Yes, it's easy to overlook those two strips. I'd forgotten about them. No stainless strip behind the heater panel in that photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by David S View Post
    Looks like a Very Special dash there. Yes, it's easy to overlook those two strips. I'd forgotten about them. No stainless strip behind the heater panel in that photo.
    Yes, D(very)Special dash, with the Autoclima in position you don't see the top of the heater control panel so didn't seek out the stainless trim.

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    DSuper 5 had a DX2 motor according to manual Chris. ? So maybe that motor got pulled from another car and mucked around with.

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    Thanks to all that replied it would appear this vehicle is a Bitsa everything.


    Like I said needs a good dose of sweat equity so it will be ok .

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    What colour is the engine block ?

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