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    ?? It says ID 19 and yet the motor is quoted as 2500 EFI.?? Not much originality even if you get the old 1911 motor in a box with the car.

    Does look beautiful however. But $200K to $250K is a lot of cash......
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    Well it sure doesn't look like a DS injection engine, not that they had one in 1964. 2500 GTi Turbo it would seem upon inspection. I shudder to think what it cost to put that under the bonnet. It probably goes a lot harder than the original, but does it really add to the character of the car which I think is much more at home as a comfortable cruiser, not a sports car wannabe ??
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    Sure is interesting under the bonnet. Is it a CX2500 Turbo motor with aftermarket injection ? Great finish detail ! Could be a bit of a handful without the CX suspension ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by citroenut View Post
    Sure is interesting under the bonnet. Is it a CX2500 Turbo motor with aftermarket injection ? Great finish detail ! Could be a bit of a handful without the CX suspension ?
    Hmmm, I thought the CX motor turned in the opposite direction = 5 reverse gears. . . So could this be a CX Turbo head on a 21/23 D motor?

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    I have seen a blue DS23 with that treatment before. Nowhere near as shiny and clean as that. So it will be a CX2500 GTi Turbo motor with a different camshaft so it can run backwards. The CX has a bastard flywheel count, so given the coil packs, this one will have either a camshaft trigger wheel or crank trigger wheel out the back of the cam chain cover ( I have seen that a couple of times in pictures). Now with a well tuned after market modern injection system. ... with a knock sensor .... That motor is going to be pumping out way over 200hp. That little DS radiator isn't going to have a snowmans chance in hell of cooling it.

    The other conversion I have seen pictures of would have worked. They layed down the CX turbo radiator with it's big fans at an angle across the nose of the car (where the spare tire should be). That would have worked perfectly! My ID19's running one up with 68hp ( 60years ago ) are borderline as the mercury hits 40degrees.... that with probably 250hp that thing is going to expire in a cloud of steam 6 blocks from your house!

    I'm wondering what my ID19s would be like with 200->250hp .... And my imagination just isnt' good enough. The back suspension would live on the bottom bumpstops, and the front suspension would be nailed to the top bump stops each time you touched the loud pedal

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    So. It is a massively complex and expensive solution to a problem that really never existed in the first place. All they really needed to do was slot in a good DS23 EFI motor and be happy with it being a fast cruiser. As Shane says, it would never be able to get all that turbo power to the road anyway. Some people just have way too much money..

    But it still looks lovely......
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    Somoene here in the UK was pointing it that it doesn't have the trade-mark boomerang rear indicators. I'm assuming that, as a genuine Chapron, it would have had - unless it was specifically commissioned back in 64 for the (American ?) market.

    I still don't like the look of the Decaps, but that mid-period nose suits it better that the 'cats eye' version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Budge View Post
    Somoene here in the UK was pointing it that it doesn't have the trade-mark boomerang rear indicators. I'm assuming that, as a genuine Chapron, it would have had - unless it was specifically commissioned back in 64 for the (American ?) market.

    I still don't like the look of the Decaps, but that mid-period nose suits it better that the 'cats eye' version.
    I reckon it's absolutely spectacular.... I'd love to have a drive in it! I reckon the DS chassis would get the power to the ground quite well
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    So, I'm guessing I shouldn't have paid $20 to have my beloved 1975 2 litre manual DSpecial removed about fifteen years ago, then? They seem to have gone up a bit since then!

    Lets hope Jon Faine still has the tow-bar at least!
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    I don't think it would have 2500 pistons - the gudgeon pin offset is wrong for the opposite rotation. If it does it will crack the pistons pretty quickly.

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    Good to hear from you after so many years Rod

    you can come around and collect that tow bar any time, I trip over it at least once a month

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    in fact i called it the toe bar last time i stumbled over it

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    I'd much rather open the bonnet on that car and see the original motor. You would expect the car would be hell of alot of fun to drive though with a somewhat different attitude.

    Still it looks beautiful, but where are the rear indicators? Odd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Llewellyn View Post
    I don't think it would have 2500 pistons - the gudgeon pin offset is wrong for the opposite rotation. If it does it will crack the pistons pretty quickly.
    It will be a CX Turbo engine re-cammed to spin the "wrong" way
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    Hello, this is how Peacock Engineering do CX thing

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