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    Default Help early C5 not cranking

    Anyone have access to a wiring diagram of the early 2002 HDI C5.

    Not sure why but after cold snap on Monday morning all usual crank starting stopped. Tried a jump start but now no crank at all just the 1 throw solenoid from starter and nothing more.

    Going to wire up long leads now to see what the + lead at starting is reading.

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    Yesterday suspected starter but took it out as have the super fast experience from other C5 Carlo5. But starter on bench throws well and outer looked new/clean.

    So has me baffled. Does one of the multiple relays in the BSI failed .

    No errors on screen and now in economy mode until she starts.

    Bugger has me baffled

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    Have you tried a fresh battery after leaving it sit disconnected for a few hours?

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    Not yet. But left battery disconnected for 1/2 day and same situation. Wont even jump start.

    Suspect relay somewhere.

    Q is why solenoid throws on starter but not continue to crank?

    Going to try jump again shortly

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    Had a similar problem when the car was left last winter for a few months. I believe the cold and damp conditions caused the battery to be weakened, that lead to starter problems. Battery was down to 12.3 volts.
    Had to get a new battery. Apparently the low voltage caused starter problems ( high current drain???).
    Bought a second hand starter. All up an expensive exercise.
    I suppose in Brisbane the temp. doesn't get below 0c for days.

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    If the starter works well on the bench but not in the car, but the solenoid pulls in properly/strongly, there must be a fault in the main power feed to the starter or the earthing strap connection to the engine block. How is the fusible link in the main power feed?

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    Thanks guys I'm heading down the starter motor path as yes the 3deg morning probably didn't help the battery.
    Checking if I can pick up a 2nd handy this week.
    Ken, fusible link not sure where this would be fitted. All maxi fuses are not affected?

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    Hi Dimi
    Sounds to me like the solonoid contacts are burnt (as usual) and will not carry enough current to do any real work. Nothing new in that problem.
    I do believe I have a starter in my shed for an early C5 petrol. Email me if you are interested. I am in Newcastle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dimistyle View Post
    Thanks guys I'm heading down the starter motor path as yes the 3deg morning probably didn't help the battery.
    Checking if I can pick up a 2nd handy this week.
    Ken, fusible link not sure where this would be fitted. All maxi fuses are not affected?

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    Is this the Red Devil (Rouge Lucifer)?
    It had a second hand starter about 6 maybe 7 years back - sourced via the Euro parts place in Northgate, from my recollection Mitsubishi brand and pulled from a Peugeot 306 Diesel? Part numbers matched so there should be plenty of crossover options.

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    Yes its the red devil. I sourced one recently for Carlo5 from Lowood as the guys in Northgate could only supply new.
    I'll check if Willawong still wrecking an old C5 or old 306/307.

    Thanks Jaahn for offer but we only have diesels atm.

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    I had to replace a starter in my 2003 C5 and it was a Mitsubishi. I think the auto electrician sauced it from a Mitsubishi supplier.

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    Thanks. Wreckers had no diesel 8v so off to auto sparky tomorrow

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    It might be worth considering if it is worth putting in a second hand part. Do you have reason to think a second hand starter has done a lot less work than the one that has failed? Personally, I hate doing the same job over and over. I recently replaced the starter in my 07 C5 V6 - $279 for a brand new OEM Valeo. I have some confidence that I won't need to do that job again for 10 years or so.

    If you are set on a second hand one, and can't find anything closer, I do have one on my 03 C5 2.0HDI parts car.

    Cheers

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    Thanks Kim, the starter is so easy to remove on the diesel but needed it replaced like yesterday as too many kids activities over the school holidays and a big weekend of kids sport over weekend. Im hoping the sparky can rebuild with local parts being Mitsubishi.
    Cheapest I've found new was $340 and had to wait for it to arrive from Sydney. ...should have ordered it on Monday....grrr

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    Help early C5 not cranking-1531479019203.jpg

    Thanks to Bursons having the last old stock unit at trade price. Not genuine, not Mitsubishi or Bosch but 4 year warranty ao not complaining.

    Installed under torch light on the road and cranked into action.

    Phew now both our C5s have replacement starter motors this year so what one has the other one needs.

    Will take note for future repairs.

    Thanks all.
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