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    Hi all
    Thought I would show off our latest acquisition, 64 ID19, picked it up yesterday, put a battery in it, fuel can direct to the fuel pump and started and idled straight away. Itís been converted to LHM and hydraulics worked fine. 400 km journey to Perth and now in its new home.New acquisition-img_1528633497.782927.jpgNew acquisition-img_1528633509.120639.jpg


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    Love the patina.

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    Those don't look like 400mm tyres. Have the rims been converted to something else?
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    15Ē rims, also came with the Jack Weaver turbo motor, which could end up in the car.New acquisition-img_1528672371.127548.jpg


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    I spy an extra long stroke RHD BVM transmission also!
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    Where DID you find that?? Down Jandakot way? Nice.
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    Belonged to a mate of mine, he bought the car off Jack in the eighties, but hit a kangaroo in it when he was living in New Norcia, he had planned to put the motor in the white car but never got around to it. If you look carefully at the bonnet you will see the bulge for the turbo. The car and parts have been in Geraldton for the last ten years.New acquisition-img_1528675519.088767.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by citroenthusiast View Post
    I spy an extra long stroke RHD BVM transmission also!
    I think itís a standard gearbox, everything is in Perth now, but will check when down there next.


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    Was a phone call.....too much to ask?
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    I would have thought you would just break the spindly little 3bearing bottom end with that .... Amazing really!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    I would have thought you would just break the spindly little 3bearing bottom end with that .... Amazing really!
    Apparently Jack Weaver used to tow his Traction race car with it, at speeds well above the legal limit. It doesnít have a waste gate so I would say drive with care.
    The person we bought it off, got picked on the Geelong Expressway in the eighties, it took a chopper with a spotlight shining at him to slow him down (wonít divulge the speed he was monitored at).
    Will be an interesting project to get running again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by d coupe View Post
    Apparently Jack Weaver used to tow his Traction race car with it, at speeds well above the legal limit. It doesn’t have a waste gate so I would say drive with care. The person we bought it off, got picked on the Geelong Expressway in the eighties, it took a chopper with a spotlight shining at him to slow him down (won’t divulge the speed he was monitored at). Will be an interesting project to get running again. Sent from my iPad using aussiefrogs
    Finished the CX Estate then? Just curious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Finished the CX Estate then? Just curious.
    Motor is together, once gearbox ect back on, I will get into finishing the body. Much slower than I intended, aiming for Easter 2019 meet.New acquisition-img_1528700247.616009.jpgNew acquisition-img_1528700257.827324.jpg


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    Quote Originally Posted by d coupe View Post
    Much slower than I intended, aiming for Easter 2019 meet.
    Aren't they all? Slower, that is. With the memorable exception of 59 Floride on the Renault forum of course.

    That motor looks lovely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Aren't they all? Slower, that is. With the memorable exception of 59 Floride on the Renault forum of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d coupe View Post
    Apparently Jack Weaver used to tow his Traction race car with it, at speeds well above the legal limit. It doesnít have a waste gate so I would say drive with care.
    The person we bought it off, got picked on the Geelong Expressway in the eighties, it took a chopper with a spotlight shining at him to slow him down (wonít divulge the speed he was monitored at).
    Will be an interesting project to get running again.


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    It is going to be very intersting. With an internal inlet manifold ... with very small ports. Boost lag should be tiny. These days you could probably make it far more reliable with some electronic retarding of the igntion under boost .... quality modern oils. You could fit a much smaller turbo probably too (from a small turbo diesel for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    It is going to be very intersting. With an internal inlet manifold ... with very small ports. Boost lag should be tiny. These days you could probably make it far more reliable with some electronic retarding of the igntion under boost .... quality modern oils. You could fit a much smaller turbo probably too (from a small turbo diesel for example).

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    I too was surprised to see the standard looking ID cylinder head, with its internal manifold.( Has it had some
    re - porting done to increase gas flow ??? ) At the time a DS19 cylinder head had a bigger external manifold that went the length of the head and therefore there was no height for a distributor and cap. .. The DS19 sparks were organised by a flat topped "distributor" and the reliance upon two sets of points
    ( under a transparent cover ) to reduce height and double ended 2CV coils that fired at top and bottom of each stroke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzelhund View Post
    I too was surprised to see the standard looking ID cylinder head, with its internal manifold.( Has it had some
    re - porting done to increase gas flow ??? ) At the time a DS19 cylinder head had a bigger external manifold that went the length of the head and therefore there was no height for a distributor and cap. .. The DS19 sparks were organised by a flat topped "distributor" and the reliance upon two sets of points
    ( under a transparent cover ) to reduce height and double ended 2CV coils that fired at top and bottom of each stroke.
    GIven your not going for all out power... The weeny manifold will be better. With boost, it'll take less time to build pressure due to the smaller manifold volume. So you will end up with less boost lag! Yes less top end revs and power probably but you wouldn't want that with a small three bearing crank either way
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    Quote Originally Posted by FIVEDOOR View Post
    True, but he did it without a handicap.
    Woo. Careful there....
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    It is going to be very intersting. With an internal inlet manifold ... with very small ports. Boost lag should be tiny. These days you could probably make it far more reliable with some electronic retarding of the igntion under boost .... quality modern oils. You could fit a much smaller turbo probably too (from a small turbo diesel for example).

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    Yep should be interesting, the distributor has been modified already to retard, but like you said, so many modern options we could try.


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    If you rebuild that motor, consider also the possibility of adding a full-flow oil filter:

    Long Stroke full flow oil filter
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    The flat distributor cap on my DS19 is black, not transparent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Wilkinson View Post
    The flat distributor cap on my DS19 is black, not transparent.

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    I stand corrected and admonished for my gross inaccuracy .. "How many lines Sir ?"

    IIRC the plastic cover was cracked on my DS headed ID and was "repaired" with a touch of STAG joining paste, so transparent with a discreet yet tasteful band of rust brown.

    I had an uncle who broke his dentures and tried a repair with Stag...tasted terrible and not to be recommended.

    My intended point was the DS19 head was capable of greater breathing because of the external manifold and in period a DS head would have been more readily available..remember the Connaught Special 19s ? ... But as Shane points out the smaller volume of the ID manifold arrangement may have been more useful because of its smaller volume and therefore less turbo lag. As to the actual valve sizes I have no idea of the DS and ID sizings... back in the day my DS headed ID was given a "Fiat" spec camshaft grind. In combination with a two barrel carburettor ( Weber ?? ) the car was quite peaky for its day, but the twin spark coils proved very unreliable for hot starting....a problem that persists in 2CVs with those double ended coils.

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