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    I need to change the timing belt in the C5.2009 x7. I have heard that it is advisable to change the water pump as well. is this right? also what else should be changed? eg. tensioners .
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    Don't have Citroen, but always change these bits when everything is dismantled on my Renault every 4 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by cee5 View Post
    I need to change the timing belt in the C5.2009 x7. I have heard that it is advisable to change the water pump as well. is this right? also what else should be changed? eg. tensioners .
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    When mine was done about 3 years back, by the local non dealer specialist it was deemed necessary.... for the cost ( about $100 ) of a new waterpump it is worth the peace of mind....and adds less than 8% to the total parts and labour cost.
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    It's not about whether they are OK now, but whether they will last the service interval to the next change. If a guide roller or water pump siezes, it's as bad as a belt breaking. With the service intervals being extended over time with better belts etc. it's even more critical now. I would recommend changing them.

    I also change the accessory belt unless it's definitely known to be good, as this can take out the timing belt (on some cars).


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    You can get a Dayco kit that has a new cambelt, tensioners and camshaft seals. A new water pump is always recommended. I am about to get my C5 booked in for its mid-life maintenance visit as well.

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    Hi Guys

    Firstly, in Australia we change the belts at shorter intervals than what Citroen recommends. For extreme conditions, I think the Citroen recommendation is 140,000k for a C5 S2 2.0 HDI.

    But given that the importer has educated us to change them at 100,000K, we're sort of stuck with the interval.

    If I do a set of belts, it includes the water pump and belt tensioner, and I also change the serpentine belt and its tensioner.

    It's the tensioners that are often the most expensive, but also most likely to give trouble.

    EAI has OEM parts for this at good prices?

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    Hi Guys,

    I'm a newbie to this forum ... after a diet of Jap and Hyundai machines, I'm in a season of finally taking the plunge on a C5 X7 2.0HDI (or maybe a 1.6T petrol, depending on what comes on the market) - as a lot of the cars on the market tend to be around 100,000km (mmm wonder why they're selling ), is there an affordable Citroen specialist in Sydney that anyone knows of, for a timing belt/water pump change? It will assist with my budgeting for a C5 plunge ....

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    From 2012 the recommended belt interval for HDI diesels has been 180,000 km or 9 years. Older cars were changed earlier. In my view the pick of the several engines is the 2L HDI with the letters RHH in the VIN. (The letters at position 6 tell us the engine type)

    Not all later C5s have the fabled hydraulic suspension, some using instead springs similar to the Peugeot 407. The suspension mechanism is the same - double wishbone/multi-link. You can tell hydraulics by the spheres mounted on the suspension tops under the bonnet, and an electric pump on the driver's side of the engine bay. There is also a height switch near the gear change. Steel sprung C5s still ride well. I think all 1.6 THPs were on steel.

    1.6 turbo petrols use a chain. The water pump is driven from the accessory belt.

    At about 160,000 km the diesel Eolys catalyst tank will need a refill.

    It is usual at a belt change to do the water pump too.

    There are several places well experienced in these engines, if you tell us which corner of Sydney you are in. Parts from independent suppliers are reasonable also.
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    That's brilliant seasink - so appreciate your fountain of knowledge. I'm not too concerned whether the 2HDI is hydraulic or steel sprung, if anything if it's steel it's one less thing to worry about failing (not that I've read too many of the hydraulic setups failing).

    The 1.6 THP seems a bit thin on the ground, plus I believe they had DI-related carbon build up issues early on from 2012 that weren't fixed till 2015, plus a few other issues (I can't recall) that were dealt with by the time 2015 came around?

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    BTW seasink, any reason why the RHH engines are a good pick? I just saw one on carsguide.

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    165 hp vs 138 hp smoother less problems like egr and vacuum leaks donít get a petrol


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    Quote Originally Posted by dmccurtayne View Post
    165 hp vs 138 hp smoother less problems like egr and vacuum leaks don’t get a petrol


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    David, what's your opinion and experience on timing belt replacement mileage or age for the RHH?
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    We had a rhh 308 break rockers when it was at about 320odd k but the belt ( original) was fine the tensioner had failed no valves bent never had one fail apart from that 180k is fine better than the chain


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    As dmccurtayne posted - the RHH motor, properly known as the DW10C is more powerful, and tougher, and the EGR is more reliable. If you DIY, servicing is simple. There are 6 cylinder HDI engines with more oomph, but as a used proposition I'd go for the RHH.

    The torque from the engine is quite enough to have you watching out for the highway patrol. Best of all, on a long trip the diesel powered X7 car with the 6 speed auto practically drives itself - the car will travel silently and smoothly in whatever gear gives maximum torque at about 2000 rpm all day, whatever the terrain.

    Some Sydney people who can quote for a belt job, if needed-
    North: https://www.pqautomotive.com.au/
    West: https://www.colliersauto.com.au/
    South: https://continentalcars.com.au/

    There are three of four more if needed. There is even a mobile service.
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    The belts do age. I recently saw one from an early C4 that was obviously the original and now shedding teeth. A good 20cms of the teeth had gone and down to the belting with the rest about to fall off too. So, they do have an age limit.

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    I didn't get a report like that from Bill B when I had the TB replaced on our C4 a couple of months ago (@144k km) so I trust it wasn't off ours.
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    Yes obviously but they arenít 80 k belts like they used to be


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    Quote Originally Posted by fnqvmuch View Post
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    selfishly bumping in hope someone will confirm or suggest something...
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    Whatís that


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    I have a quote from EAI and, at over 187,000km, am just about to order.
    Trying to make up the requisite 'kit'; timing belt, pump, tensioner, idler, a seal for crank and one (?) for cam.
    Does that sound like everything ?
    As far as I can work out the above (apart from a screw) is the 'kit' elsewhere and (if indeed apples / apples) about half the dealer’s price.
    The accessory belt replaced recently is getting it’s tensioner now, also EAI’s Eolys 'kit'.

    Sorry if not relevant enough to justify hijacking and thank all you know who you are
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    Just off the top of your head, I mean. Thank you.
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    Yeah that sounds fine probably replace the crank cam and tensioner bolts


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    I reckon the 80k period went out when HSN belts became the norm, but the Australian stealer network wouldn't tell anyone because timing belt changes are too lucrative.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stuey View Post
    I reckon the 80k period went out when HSN belts became the norm, but the Australian stealer network wouldn't tell anyone because timing belt changes are too lucrative.
    Umm no


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    Oh, so I don't reckon that? Shit, I thought I did!


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