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    hi people.

    considering a used DS3 as a daily any pros and cons appreciated

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    I have a DS3 manual daily driver, and love it, even in Sydney traffic. Which model? Dstyle and Dsport have different engines and transmissions, with different problems. I wouldn't be keen on the 4 speed AL4 auto in the Dstyles though - they can be a huge expense when they age.

    The Dsport is a very nippy machine.

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    They are cool looking little cars. I often wondered how they compared to the 207 GTI as a drivers car (noting the 207 wasn't known to be as involving as some others), especially given pricing is quite similar at the moment.
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    The DSport is comparable to the GTI models with the 1.6THP, although they are a little newer - from 2010. The 6 speed box is a delight. It's still used in the current Pug GTI models and gets raves. Mine spends most of its time on urban roads at speed limits, but given a run on the twisties it's fantastic fun. Acceleration is very brisk in such a light car. Suspension is nicer to the bum than the Mini Cooper with the same engine, and the DS fitout feels upmarket.

    Some things like rear parking aids were options, so it pays to check the fruit on a purchase. Service history on the THP is essential.

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    They are certain model that has appeal.... I do hear from a good mechanic that the 1.6 engine can be troublesome, (as I gather it can be in the Mini). Any intel on this?
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    I've posted this often. The innovative EP6DT engine was basically Peugeot/Citroen below the head gasket, and BMW above. The EP6 non-turbo form even has BMW variable valve lift. Early engines (now a decade old) had some serious problems with timing chain, water pump and thermostat. Every mechanic seems to be broadcasting it, including those with no PSA experience, something Citroen owners are used to.

    The parts have been redesigned, and as trouble occurred, they were changed by Citroen, most, but not all, in the warranty period. It was accepted that there were faults. There cannot be many cars from that time that have not been changed, but a service record will show this, hence the advice to look for one.

    BMW discontinued the engine, but PSA has continued to develop it. The latest descendant is in the 308GTi.

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    The feedback to me was via a PSA mechanic, but I don't know how much direct experience he has had.
    Is there ONLY an AL4 box in the auto versions?
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    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
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    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    Our market in 2010 got two versions - the Dstyle and the Dsport. The former came with a non-turbo engine and the AL4 auto. The latter came with the direct-injected turbo version of the engine and the lovely MCM 6 speed manual. The Dsport is the second-hand pick, with the proviso that the chain and pump work has been done.

    There isn't a lot of bling difference between them, but the sport has low profile tyres on 17in rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamoor View Post
    hi people.

    considering a used DS3 as a daily any pros and cons appreciated

    thanks
    thanks peeps for the feedback considering a late model as they appear to be good value 6 speed.

    any feedback on the L/100klm ??

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    My other half zips it through very heavy inner suburb Sydney traffic every day in very short trips, and makes 9L/100 for an average speed of under 20! She never gets beyond 4th gear. The trip computer is set for her runs at present. I haven't looked at more normal motoring consumption for a while, but have got better than 5L/100.

    On the roads where 80 kph or more is allowed there is so much torque for a very light car it just lopes along at modest revs in 6th.

    Depending on the type of tyres fitted, you may find the low profile tyres noisy on some surfaces. They come with performance rubber in mind.

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    Did the DS3 Racing ever make it to Australia? They look fantastic in the pics.
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    The local reviewers did articles, but I have never seen one. The changes from the DSport were for the track, not road use. I can't imagine they are comfortable.

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    I haven't seen a Racing in Oz, but I don't see many DS3 Sports either I guess. Potential buyers (like me) definitely wouldn't be looking for comfort as one of the main criteria, more fun behind the wheel and agility
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGTi_6 View Post
    Did the DS3 Racing ever make it to Australia? They look fantastic in the pics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGTi_6 View Post
    Did the DS3 Racing ever make it to Australia? They look fantastic in the pics.
    No DS3 Racing, no DS3 Performance.
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    Having owned both, purely for driving involvement and fun behind the wheel, how do the DS3 and 207 GTi compare mate?
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    The 207 GTi is a very heavy car in comparison to the DS3 (1325kg vs 1160kg), so its power advantage (128kW vs 115kW) is negated somewhat, but from a driverís perspective, the 207 is much more sure-footed and less ďflightyĒ than the DS3. In comparison itís built like a tank and feels much more like a grand tourer on long trips. It had very nice seats (much better than the DS3, which are reasonably comfy) but suffered in the fuel economy stakes due to only a 5 speed.

    The DS3 is light, nimble and has plenty of torque for most things but can get unsettled and the springs/shocks are definitely more for comfort than sport. The steering on the 207 was definitely better for spirited driving than the DS3ís is.

    i guess the 208 GTi feels much more similar to the DS3 due to its similar weight, but has much more secure handling and grip (and obviously a lot more engine performance).

    i really like the DS3 and am not considering selling it, whereas Iíll probably update the 208 this year

    At this stage Iíve owned the DS3 for seven years, which is how long I had the 207 for. Sadly, I had to buy a new battery for it this year, which is pretty good for an original battery, I think.
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    Thanks for that mate. Appreciate the direct comparison. I'm looking for a runabout and it seems the 207 GTi may still be a decent (very well priced) option.
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