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    This is my second C5. 2.0 litre oil burner. Bought at 39,000 km a couple of years ago and wife drives mainly. PO ticked the sunroof box option but pity the sat nav one was not ticked as well... Would be hard to retro fit.
    Preaching to the converted and lots to love on these cars but the ride and the adjustability are what I love most. I nearly bought one new in 2008. Shattered when they announced system was history. Andre would be jumping over and waking up the couple in the bed next to him.
    Changed the rotors and other regular minor items only. I regularly raise the car to clear inner speed hump goat track Melbourne and this is enough to kill any bush/mount, so have now ordered new bushes (3 per side) for the lower front arms. Amazing value if you know where to look. Cost delivered was aound $230 for both sides. The outer (wheel side) drive shaft boots were ordered as well (I assume regular raising and age has caused them to rip). These were an inexpensive item also. I am geared up to repair this but hopefully the local mechanic should only take a few hours.

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    welcome John,
    looking forward to more of your inside postage ...

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    Welcome John,

    Am also a C5 owner, and agree they surely must be one of the most understated model on the Australian market.

    Keep us informed and "share the knowledge"
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    Hi John,

    The Sat Nav on the C5's is pretty poor, and even on the late X7s, while it works much better, the latest update was 2015, and there will be no more, so your sunroof was a good decision.

    Regardless of the model C5, it is usually only the rear suspension bush on the front arms that ever needs replacing, likewise the driveshaft boots, last indefinitely generally? So you've been a bit unlucky with them.

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    Hi John,

    The Sat Nav on the C5's is pretty poor, and even on the late X7s, while it works much better, the latest update was 2015, and there will be no more, so your sunroof was a good decision.

    Regardless of the model C5, it is usually only the rear suspension bush on the front arms that ever needs replacing, likewise the driveshaft boots, last indefinitely generally? So you've been a bit unlucky with them.

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    Thanks to all for your replies.
    Interesting feedback about the Nav on the X7's Greg, certanly fills that area of the dash and looks much better but I will now be more content with my large screen phone sitting on the ledge guiding me around!
    I think raising and driving this car very often (at least twice a day) in the highest position may have had something to do with the boots? Plus the poor road surfaces and crazy speed bumps in inner Melbourne are the likely culprits. I had the same suspension issue with many of the lower hydramounts with my other modern car at around 45,000km...
    Waiting on the parts to arrive and I will post all the prices and some photos.
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    Greg. I have to disagree with you about the life of the CV joint boots. I have had to replace both of mine and have elected to go with generic universal ones and had them fitted by a well known local suspension specialist. It was no biggie really, just breaking the taper on the lower ball joint and extracting the driveshaft. The universal one size fits all boots came with a big plastic cone for stretching and slipping the boot over the CV joint ( just like old ID short stroke style shafts )... but the specialist used a modern pneumatic multi fingered device to stretch the small diameter of one end of the boot over the CV joint. Both the replacement garden variety boots have lasted well.

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    Hi Fritzhound,

    I can only go by my experience re the driveshaft boots. as any one knows who had a GS or a CX, changing the driveshaft boots on those cars, was a very regular experience, Not so on the modern Citroens?

    My Citroen experience is far beyond the majority of Citroen owners. We presently have 4 modern Citroens in our fleet, and have owned all three variations of the C5. A local friend has our old C5 S2, now with 300,000. My Cousin sold our original V6 Series 1, recently, with 180,000 ks.

    I can say categorically I have never changed a driveshaft boot on any modern Citroen.

    I have another longtime friend who lives in the bush, and has a S2 wagon with 200,000 ks, and yes, he has replaced an inner boot , but only because a rat ate into it.

    It would be foolish to say that they never need changing, but my experience with multiple vehicles says that they will generally last almost the life of the car?

    300,000Ks is a pretty good innings, on a car that got treated pretty roughly when we lived in the bush, there was 8 ks of dirt road in and out of our property.

    One hot day doesn't constitute summer?

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    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    Hi John,

    Further to you first posting, I can't understand why you are putting your C5 up into intermediate height to go over the speed humps.

    What you are actually doing is detrimental to the cars ability to absorb the hump?

    The C5 has the same ground clearance as most other cars, raising the suspension is only intended for driving over obstacles that are higher than normal ground clearance. I would think that all speed humps on public roads would be lower than a normal cars ground clearance?

    This is what happens when you raise the car:

    Firstly, on all C5's the car will not rise while you have you for on the brake. As speed humps are intended to slow you down, you most likely have your for on the brake to slow down, so in fact, the car in most cases, probably hasn't risen at all.

    As in any car, if you approach a pot hole or hump with the brakes on, you will impede the suspensions ability to do it's job, as the partially locked wheels doesn't allow the wheel to roll in and out of the hole or over the hump, can pairtially lock up the suspension, particularly with trailing arms, and ends up with the suspension crashing.

    What your also doing, by putting a hydraulic Citroen into the intermediate height position, is reducing the suspension travel and raising the pressure in the sphere, and is so doing, completely wasting the suspensions ability to absorb the pothole or bump.

    So your attempts to improve the situation, is actually making things dramatically worse.

    Raising the car will have absolutely no bearing on the life of the spheres, driveshaft bushes, and probably very little on the suspension bushes.

    best regards,

    Greg
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    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
    We Had:
    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    What can I say Greg. I only noticed the outer boots torn a couple of weeks ago and from observation they did not look as they were recently torn. I would suspect that the outer boots have been torn for some time. The car has only done around 70,000 km and was bought second hand (with 1 PO) when at 39,000 km. An inner Melbourne car all its life which means lots of poor surfaces and a ridiculous amount of speed humps etc. A bit of bluestone travel on a daily basis too. Also I have to keep it raised every time when driving off from park otherwise it will scrape and not clear a certain gutter it goes down; a few times a day (unless this gutter is taken at 1 or 2 kmh). Plus raised when I park back at home as it needs to clear a concrete curb it lightly rolls in to when parked.
    I do not raise it every time I approach a speed hump though.
    All this combined I would think has caused the bushes and boots to an early replacement. Its actually being done today and I hope to post some pics.
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