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    A curious development, to be sure.

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    I had the driver and pax airbags replaced in my DS3 yesterday, at my local dealer.

    Seemed a painless exercise, other than them washing the car which left all the windows smeared in a dried greasy liquid of some description.
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    I'm worried about my DS3 if it goes to the local Inchcaporium. It will likely be the first the the young bloke will have seen.

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    It will likely be the first the the young bloke will have seen.
    And he probably won't see very many DS3s in the future.

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    I would imagine that changing the air bags would be a similar procedure no matter what badge is on the front of the car.
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    Probably much the same for most steering column mounts. The interesting one is on the passenger's side under the top of the dashboard (DS3 and C3).

    The bags in the C5 aren't being recalled, but the steering wheel is somewhat unusual if they were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    I'm worried about my DS3 if it goes to the local Inchcaporium. It will likely be the first the the young bloke will have seen.
    Yes it was a shame I had to take it to that dealer and not the one it's always been to but, to be honest, it's far better than copping metal fragments through my carotid artery in an accident.
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    But was it a redesigned replacement, or just a newer one with the same (faulty) design?

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    It's not about the design. The explosive used for the inflation is the problem. The older the bag the worse the effect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    It's not about the design. The explosive used for the inflation is the problem. The older the bag the worse the effect.
    I beg to differ...

    Could my airbag be replaced with a new version of the recalled airbag?

    Defective Takata airbags have been replaced with identical defective Takata airbags in some cases. This is being used as a temporary fix, swapping older airbags that have likely degraded with fresh iterations, in a move that lowers the risk of a defective deployment. These airbags too will have to be recalled again.

    Car manufacturers – including Toyota, Lexus, Subaru, Mazda, BMW and Honda – have confirmed they made like-for-like replacements in a fraction of cars. Fiat Chrysler Automobiles confirms airbags in Chrysler, Dodge and Jeep cars are being replaced with iterations from a different manufacturer.

    But most other car companies chose not to share this information with the public when we asked.

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    That's not differing. That was my point about the age of the bag. It's a temporary fix. For some very old cars it might last until they meet the wrecker.

    The ultimate replacement, from the different manufacturer, uses a different more stable explosive mixture. There may be small changes of physical shape in some reflecting the new manufacturer's case design, but they have to fit in the same way as the Takata bags did..

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    The ultimate replacement, from the different manufacturer, uses a different more stable explosive mixture. There may be small changes of physical shape in some reflecting the new manufacturer's case design, but they have to fit in the same way as the Takata bags did..
    There is reason why that will never happen.

    Takata has gone broke. Thus the is no funds available for their (right full) warranty replacements.

    And the car manufactures don't want to become "Father Christmas" and commission another manufacturer to make airbags to replace those made by Takata.

    As usual, the consumer loses out in the crossfire.

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    Takata has been "taken over" by another company: Key Safety Systems. Apparently its seatbelt division is big business.

    However Takata's inflator division (not part of the acquisition) will carry on making replacement inflators, until such time as there are no more replacement inflators to make.

    Autoliv (which PSA has traditionally used...), ZF and Daicel are also producing replacement inflators.

    AFAIK, the issue is not one of design, but manufacturing. They should have used a desiccant to prevent moisture ingress, which they didn't. Thus the propellant chemicals become unstable after approx six years, especially in climates with high humidity.

    I'm more than happy with new airbags, as opposed to eight year old ones.
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    Interesting information in this thread, for which thanks. I wondered whether Takata could survive this - imagine what the journos would have said if they were French airbags!

    Years back, I vaguely recall a thread discussing the situation about the total inconsistency across manufacturers regarding airbag maintenance/replacement over time. We are happily a Renault Scenic family regarding airbags, the 306 just predating the devices. And my 4CV doesn't have a 6 volt bag option....
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    I've told my wife to leave her carotid artery at home when she goes for a drive in our 1995 Xantia with its 1995 airbag. I don't know much about anatomy, but I think the carotid artery is in her throat and gets very animated when she yells at me.

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