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    What is the official seating capacity of a DS (ID) sedan? Is it 4 or 5? Is three abreast seating in the rear seat practical? Otherwise if you want to transport more than 4, you need a Safari?

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    OnSafari, for an 'official' perspective, please see the attachment (plate from my DS23 - it has seat belts for 5). I've only ever had the need to carry 4 people - or to be more accurate, 2 adults and 2 children (children in the back).

    Others may have a view on comfort levels with three adults in the rear. Chris
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    Compliance plates didn't arrive until 1970/71 and seat belts were phased in, many cars having only front seat belts. You still do not have to retrofit belts to older cars that did not have them at manufacture. The registration papers may show a number of seats/places. Current policy may well vary state to state.

    With a bench front and rear, no compliance plate and no belts, it's probably a case of as many as can be squeezed in. I have memories of playing corner squash as a child in the back seat with half a dozen piling in. Lucky the door locks were good!
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    I have carried 6 adults comfortably in a Slough ID19 with a bench seat front and rear.

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    Thanks, out od interest what is the rear seat width in a DS? It would be interesting to compare it to my Austin 1800.
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    Hi Guys,

    The seating capacity of cars with compliance plates is directly related to the length of the back seat. If the length is over X amount (can't remember the exact length, then three belts must be fitted in the back and it's considered suitable for 3 people.

    Consequently, if the the Citroen SM is registered with full compliance, the rear seat has to be fitted with two lap sash rear belts, and one lap belt in the middle for three persons (preferable legless?).

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    All nonsense!

    You can get at least one more person in the boot, and a very thin person in the engine bay.

    Roof racks are a whole different proposition, but Plod might object.
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    5 is legal in a DS. There was a night a few years ago when frontdrive34 ferried Mrs UFO and I, a French visitor that appeared at a car club meet the previous Monday night and Mort Subite around the eastern burbs of Sydney and even over to Balls Head Reserve of the north shore.

    Three of us, Mrs UFO, visitor and I, fitted across the back seat (straptontins were not used). It was snug but that was sort of fortunate as frontdrive34 showed us his well practiced skills at punting the safari around Sydney with haste and aplomb. It was raining a bit that night too adding to the fun. No skids were felt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OnSafari View Post
    Thanks, out od interest what is the rear seat width in a DS? It would be interesting to compare it to my Austin 1800.
    Ripped from UK Autocar magazine.
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    DS sedans are legal for six in Italy and France. (Three in the front).
    Only five in Spain.

    In practice it works very well. I've seated three in the front many times. Just put the armrest in the boot.
    And the passenger seat belt takes two people. No problem. Try it.
    The legality comes from having the gear lever at the wheel.

    Breaks can (in France and Italy) legally seat seven, Familiales nine. Three in the front.

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    Hi Don,

    Very few of our D Series cars came with a front bench seat, and probably none once seat belts became compulsory, so consequently, with our strict seat belt laws, each passenger must have a seat belt and wear it.

    How the safari was allowed in with the strapontins is a bit of a mystery, because if they are considered seats, they should have belts. I think it might have been the case of tell them nothing, and let them think they are just under floor storage?

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    We Had:
    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    Looking for vehicle standards re foglights a couple of days ago (yellow is OK!), I came across the seat belt requirements in this RMS (NSW) document on registering importing cars.
    http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/documents/...d-vehicles.pdf

    I'd not realised lap-sash belts on passenger car front seats (outers, not the centre) had been required as far back as January 1965. I'd assumed 1971 was the critical change point, but not so. From January 1971, in addition to front belts required from 1965, the front/back centre seats required a lap belt and the rear outer seats required lap-sash belts.

    Third row seats do not get a mention. The ADR for child restraints was not introduced until 1976, so maybe the strapontins fell between the 1970's regulatory cracks as neither formal seats nor kiddie seats requiring some kind of anchorage? There would not have been any locally built wagons with third row before the demise of the DS in 1976. Volvo 245/265 certainly had them as an option from 1975, but I'm not sure if the 145 had them on offer. Volvo fitted belts, but then they were more of an engineered extra row rathe than simple folding occasional seats. Maybe, the strapontins were regarded as a similar to jump seats in a limousine?
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    Hi David,

    The actual design rules are fare more complex for seat belts than what they are suggesting. The actual design rulers are on the net at:

    https://infrastructure.gov.au/roads/...tion_adrs.aspx

    I had always thought that the last of the D's were compliance dated 12/74, as the didn't comply with a steering column design rule for '75, but I was wrong, there are only 3 design rules that come into effect on Jan '75, 2 concerning seat belts and their anchorage, and 1 concerning from head rests.

    While the seat belt anchorage location is complicated, I have a feeling that the outer rear top seat belt mount were too low to comply with the new ruling. Later GS's were fitted with a raising bracket to lift the height of the rear top outer mount.

    best regards,

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    We Have:
    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
    We Had:
    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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