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    When it comes to ride comfort in vehicles, it is important to match the country of origin to the peoples shapes, particularly their bums. In the countries with taller people with skinny bums, car seat comfort reigns supreme - France, UK. In countries with solid people with big bums, the occupants bring their own padding so the manufacturers make a stiffer suspension to counter the marshmallow effect. In countries with shorter people, the pedals are to close to the driver - Italian.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobL View Post
    Chris,

    I hope so too.

    After 25,000km driving it, and comparing it with all the other Citroens I have owned, I can vouch that the DS5 is a brilliant car; the "cockpit" is a great place to be.

    Regarding ride quality, this article is well worth reading from Car magazine, via Citroenet, where the comment is made that:
    "Ride quality, though, is but one element in the sum of comfort". The full article is at: Car Magazine 1971-v-1991 Citroën GSX3-v-Citroën ZX Reflex

    I have driven the latest Peugeot 3008, which is a really fine vehicle, and is already having sales success.

    I have owned French cars since being a student in the UK in the 70s - Ami6, ID19s, DS23, XM Series 1 and 2, C5X7, C4VTS (current), DS5 (current), Berlingo (current) and I wish them well for the future, and I hope Inchcape brings new life to the marque in Australia - although I don't believe getting rid of their best dealer is the right way to start; quite the opposite.

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    We're probably of similar vintage with much the same loyalty to the Citroen marque - I can add GS, DS21BVH, CX Prestige, 2 x D Safaris to your list, countless IDs, DS23Ie XM series 1, BX16v, C5 series 1 and probably a few I've forgotten along the way. Our last Citroen now being an X7.

    I'm afraid since PSA have held the reigns I am tired of hearing "the best is yet to come. . ." I'm happy with the X7 but apart from 25 years of improved build quality it has nothing on the '85 CX Prestige.

    I can't believe what comes across as a strategy to alienate loyal customers, it's as though they know they can't recreate the mood and excitement of the DS19 so are trying to bury it's memory and the cars that followed.

    Inchscape are off to a very poor start, but perhaps following PSAs lead

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    I’m to poor to own a new car so have chosen to invest millions in old cits.

    Found on Gumtree whilst perusing DS5s for amusement- think this sums ( typo) dumbs it up-

    We are a local Citroen dealer come out for a test drive. NOTE: ALL ENQUIRIES ARE CHARGED AT $49.50 TO THE DEALER SO PLEASE CONSIDER YOUR ENQUIRY AND ANY OFFERS. THIS IS WHY YOU ARE UNABLE TO FIND OUT WHO WE ARE UNTIL YOU ENQUIRE. Cars of Canberra - Fyshwick 38 Collie Street Fyshwick, ACT 2609 17000586
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    My opinion is that surely Inchcape cannot make a bigger mess of the Citroen dealership than those of the past, so why not just wait and see what transpires?
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    Hi Chris, you are correct. We are of similar vintage and loyalties to the Citroen marque.

    I owned three IDs. In the 1960 model I installed a DSpecial engine to replace the worn out three bearing long stroke engine. It transformed the car. My DS23 auto nearly turned me off Citroens forever. This model should never have been lauched on the market, as it was full of faults because of a lack of proper testing and development. It cost many loyal Citroen people lots af money to rectify the numerous problems, including overheating poor quality control, head gasket failure, and failure of the sprag clutch in the torque converter. However, despite the grief, the money and the immense amount of time spent on sorting it out, with the invaluable help of the automotive guys at Canberra TAFE, I got it running OK, and then sold it. All the other Citroens/DSs have been great, the DS5 being really special.

    Regarding PSA, they were the top selling manufacturer in France for three first three quarters of 2017, so they are doing OK there. Despite their bad start here in Australia, I hope Inchcape does improve the market penetration of the PSA range. Single brand car dealers are increasingly rare these days. If Citroen, Peugeot and DS vehicles are displayed in the same showrooms as Subarus, for example, that will make people more area of the PSA product.

    Let's wait and see.

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    One thing, they will notice Citroen, Peugeot and DS vehicles do not have AWD. At least, if you also have Subaru, you will be able to satisfy the customer.

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    John,

    Statistics show that AWD is not really a big factor in SUV choices, unless you really want to go seriously off road. I have been researching all makes of SUV recently, and speaking to dealers and friends, with a view to purchase one, and on many AWD is only an option. Subaru is unique in having AWD across the range. Even the popular BMW X1 is front wheel drive, although you can get AWD at the top of the range at considerable additional expense.

    The 2017 Peugeot 3008, the first SUV to be Car of the Year in Europe, looks the best buy so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    My opinion is that surely Inchcape cannot make a bigger mess of the Citroen dealership than those of the past, so why not just wait and see what transpires?
    I agree with Gerry. I might also point out that Citroen Australia are the major sponsors of the 2018 Cit In (check the site on this forum) which I take to be indicative of their long game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobL View Post
    Subaru is unique in having AWD across the range.
    Except for the BRZ, of course.
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    I would've love to have seen Inchcape release the new C3 with a manual option.
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    Of course! Great performance vehicle, and rival to the MX5.

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    Forumnoreason.

    Obviously a scam. Over the last few weeks I have been dealing with Cars of Canberra, and extensively test drove a Peugeot 3008.

    No mention of any charges.

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    RobL: I don't think you understand. It is not a scam.

    The ad is saying that when you click on the "enquire" link in their online ad, you immediately cost them a $49.50 referral fee to the website.
    So they are asking you not to click unless you are serious.

    I didn't know it worked this way on Gumtree, but it is certainly how it works on Carsales, and dealers get pretty sick of people clicking on the link when they are not genuinely interested in buying.

    Maybe.... forumnoreason's post is showing the standard Carsales wording about "...this is why you can't find out who we are until you enquire", followed by the name and address of the dealer - they may have clumsily carried over the wording of their Carsales ad to Gumtree, which has no such restrictions...??

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    who knows, who cars! get it cars! ah Hercule... edit-

    https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/fysh...ack/1122137306


    so you phone them and not email via site as they get stung I presume. If they don’t want to play ball with gumtree maybe they shouldn’t be using it?

    I guess I am inadvertently assisting them sell a car care of anyone who clicks on link and gets their cit mojo running!

    Maybe I should become a dealer?
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    So Citroen have 8 models for sale in China, (not the same as the models in Oz).

    With a market that size, how relevant is Citroen in Australia (from a financial viewpoint)?
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    Thanks for the clarification.

    I have plenty of friends who use both Carsales and Gumtree, and had not heard of this before. Just got on to the Carsales website and could find no evidence of the charge.

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    dealers can list 'anonymously' for increased exposure - monetised thusly by Carsales (often detective work on photos, location etc. can aid direct contact and circumvent this ...) similarly, last motel we used had a sign to the effect; "glad you found us online - but next time, call us - so that fee doesn't go offshore"
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyk View Post
    So Citroen have 8 models for sale in China, (not the same as the models in Oz).

    With a market that size, how relevant is Citroen in Australia (from a financial viewpoint)?
    I think the answer is not very but they are failing to get traction in China and must be looking for markets with growth potential. That growth can't be hard to get here as they are strating from such a low base. Of course, Citroën is just a secondary brand of PSA and if the dealers can't sell them they can always switch prospects over to Peugeot, now they have both brands.
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    I hope they do well at selling the Chevron brand. Now post hydro, what does a Citroen have that anybody else's product hasn't. The only technical novelty will be the new hydraulic cushions, and they appear to be a fit and forget strut.
    Would YOU invest in a Citroen showroom in OZ ? This little black duck wouldn't so they maybe should be applauded for the investment and risk they have taken. In reality they can be no worse than the previous importers who were never really big enough. We need full factory backing ( as have VW for example ) for really big expansion, and I can't see that happening.

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    From HO in Sydney:
    The new dealer in Perth will be:

    Perth City Citroen
    501 Albany Highway
    Victoria Park WA 6100
    Ph - 08 9262 0000

    They are expected to start trading on the 1st December 2017.

    I'd questioned how to ensure my warranty when no dealer was available in Perth since the week my car was to be booked into AllPikes they shut up shop!

    Looking up that address reveals that it has
    Duncan Nissan Dealers Perth

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    If Inchcape flog them through Trivett's they'll have the same battle McCarroll's did.

    I'd rather buy a Cit from the Good Guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fritzelhund View Post
    I hope they do well at selling the Chevron brand. Now post hydro, what does a Citroen have that anybody else's product hasn't. The only technical novelty will be the new hydraulic cushions, and they appear to be a fit and forget strut.
    Would YOU invest in a Citroen showroom in OZ ? This little black duck wouldn't so they maybe should be applauded for the investment and risk they have taken. In reality they can be no worse than the previous importers who were never really big enough. We need full factory backing ( as have VW for example ) for really big expansion, and I can't see that happening.
    The general public does not buy cars for technical novelties, just the size of the video screens for the kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerry freed View Post
    The general public does not buy cars for technical novelties, just the size of the video screens for the kids.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac View Post
    From HO in Sydney:
    The new dealer in Perth will be:

    Perth City Citroen
    501 Albany Highway
    Victoria Park WA 6100
    Ph - 08 9262 0000

    They are expected to start trading on the 1st December 2017.

    I'd questioned how to ensure my warranty when no dealer was available in Perth since the week my car was to be booked into AllPikes they shut up shop!

    Looking up that address reveals that it has
    Duncan Nissan Dealers Perth

    and
    Perth City Skoda
    Ah, just up the road from where I used to work, in the building beside the Broken Hill Hotel. This new dealer is 5 minutes from Eurocare...... I'm only 15 minutes away, so if you ever need a lift somewhere, just shout!
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    the whole thing is a miserable farce. Citroens that aren’t really Citroens anymore, DS’s that are neither. How they managed to lose the plot so substantially is unremarkable. yawn.

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