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    I recently bought a 2006 Citroen C5 and as a younger guy, I don't own any CDs. I need Bluetooth, or at least an auxiliary input. I can't replace the stereo with an aftermarket unit though, because then I won't have the buttons for climate control or the trip meter.

    I read that the RD4 head unit in my car can have an aux input added with the help of a Lexia to enable the input in the source list. The cable itself is $4 on eBay. The question is though, could I just go to a wrecker and change this basic FM/CD unit to the optional RT3 head unit which had Bluetooth and allowed for satnav using a colour screen in the dash (instead of the orange dot matrix screen I have)? If I did swap it though, would I need to swap in the colour screen too? It looks like that might require swapping the entire dashboard? Surely if this was a dealer option, the dealers didn't have to swap a whole dashboard to sell the customer Bluetooth...

    Does anyone have knowledge of the different dealer options from when the 2005-2008 (first generation facelift) C5 was originally sold? Most importantly, was the RT3 available WITHOUT the colour dash screen?

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    Ours is a 2008 model and isn't fitted with bluetooth, I looked at an upgrade offered on ebay which required both the headunit and matrix screen swapped over. . . but I've since been told the seller doesn't supply the microphone required and it's a silly price via Citroen.

    For much less I opted for a Garmin GPS with Bluetooth, I don't like dash mounts on the windscreen so used a CD mount



    The Garmin is excellent, free map upgrades for life, Bluetooth is seamless. The CD mount still allows you to play CDs, I use writable discs with my favourite tunes about 4 CD worth of tracks. As a bonus the Garmin was sold as deal with reverse camera - wireless so no need to run cables or disturb carpets etc. This is powered by reverse lights so camera is selected with reverse (I found rear vision is restricted in the X7) .

    I downloaded the cursor, a '57 DS19

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    Thanks for the info. I don't think it will apply to me though - from looking at your dashboard it seems you have the 2nd generation C5 from 2008 onwards. I was looking at Bluetooth on the stereo for playing music, not for phone calls. CDs just won't cut it for me. I listen to podcasts from my phone. On the facelifted 1st generation, the left hand column of buttons on the original stereo (below) switches the multifunction screen between climate control, trip computer and audio information, so changing the stereo to one that isn't from the same model of Citroen C5 is a no-go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blufires View Post
    Thanks for the info. I don't think it will apply to me though - from looking at your dashboard it seems you have the 2nd generation C5 from 2008 onwards. I was looking at Bluetooth on the stereo for playing music, not for phone calls. CDs just won't cut it for me. I listen to podcasts from my phone. On the facelifted 1st generation, the left hand column of buttons on the original stereo (below) switches the multifunction screen between climate control, trip computer and audio information, so changing the stereo to one that isn't from the same model of Citroen C5 is a no-go.
    There may still be a couple of options to explore, I have seen a youtube video showing an installation of an aux socket via the headunit - the other being an FM transmitter where your phone connects via bluetooth to the transmitter which you then tune the headunit to. . .

    My priority was more to achieve handsfree for receiving calls - the GPS etc. is an added bonus.

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    I installed a Parrot Mki9100 and a mki9200 in our C5's & Pug 407's with the same headunit. It delivered bluetooth audio as well as handsfree phone support. USB & AUX support were an added bonus as well, I used the USB to charge my phone. You have two options for the audio out of these units, it will run in bluetooth or aux mode driving your speakers with its own internal (but low powered) amplifier or you can use the aux in capability of the headunit, for better sound quality. These units have become the industry standard for bluetooth audio integration and now come standard in a lot of aftermarket head units around the world.

    Other than the Aux in at the head unit, it is all plug n play. I installed ours in less than 30 mins.
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    Hi,

    I've used Yatour in a few of our Citroens, as I want audio streaming via bluetooth, and hands free phone.

    It works better on some models than others depending on the head unit. It plugs in where a cd changer would.

    There web site is:

    Yatour-Digital CD Changer,Digital Music Changer,iPod Adapter,Intelligent Parking Assist,AMI,KVW - Home But you might be better off using EBay as their site is poor.

    Another more expensive option is Dension, it works the same but more expensive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Hi,

    I've used Yatour in a few of our Citroens, as I want audio streaming via bluetooth, and hands free phone.

    It works better on some models than others depending on the head unit. It plugs in where a cd changer would.

    There web site is:

    Yatour-Digital CD Changer,Digital Music Changer,iPod Adapter,Intelligent Parking Assist,AMI,KVW - Home But you might be better off using EBay as their site is poor.

    Another more expensive option is Dension, it works the same but more expensive.

    Best regards,

    Greg
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    I have a Yatour in my c5 with exact cd player as pictured by op, it supports, aux input, usb, and bt, plugs into cd changer port, didnt need lexia to work

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    Mobridge had a good solution a few years ago but they have stopped making it now. I am heading down the Yatour route as well. Does it need any work with Diagbox to get it going? I plugged Diagbox in yesterday and it looks like I would have to enable the CD changer on the Autoradio and Telematics on the Display. I couldn't find a keystroke that would do that for me. Any clues out there on this?

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    Mine works regardless of if I have it set to present or not. But when enabled, I will often get errors about the changer, nothing serious , only visible in lexia, and of I have it disabled it gives an error about or being present but disabled ! Either way it works. You organise the music into folders named correctly on the USB for it to have different discs (albums), if no USB plugged in it plays the aux.

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    My radio extraction pins arrived today so I thought I would pull out the radio and look at the connectors on the back.

    Unfortunately, there are already connectors in the aux socket (three leads) and the CD changer socket (1 lead). I am not sure if they are single wires or coax - see pics. It would appear that one of the aux circuits is wired up in the loom going somewhere. It looks like it goes to item 8499 on my circuit diagram. Does anyone know what this is called and where it is and how I access it?

    Does anyone know what the wire going into the CD changer socket is about and what I should do when fitting the Yatour M06 device?

    Hoping for some answers.

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    It is amazing when you look at the picture again, it looks a lot clearer than what I was looking at in the car. Perhaps that pink wire is going in beside the CD changer socket. I will have to take the radio out again and look more closely with a torch.

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    So you will have a changer cable going from back of unit to under the drivers seat where the changer would be. Just unplug it and and plug the yahu into the spot.

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    Hi Ken,

    I gather you have a CD changer?????? While you can get a harness from Yatour that allows the radio, CD changer and the Yatour to work, your better off to forget the changer.

    Your Yatour should come with a harness with two connectors, your radio unit plug connects to one socket, and the other to the radio unit. The Yatour takes then what ever it needs as it has now spliced in between the car harness and the radio unit. The CD changer on the standard cable will now be disconnected and the Yatour take its place.

    I've fitted a few of them to our cars and its very straight forward. The harness does all the working out.

    If you run diagbox, you will get a fault with the CD changer, because it doesn't recognise the Yatour, but it still runs it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blufires View Post
    I recently bought a 2006 Citroen C5 and as a younger guy, I don't own any CDs. I need Bluetooth, or at least an auxiliary input. I can't replace the stereo with an aftermarket unit though, because then I won't have the buttons for climate control or the trip meter.

    I read that the RD4 head unit in my car can have an aux input added with the help of a Lexia to enable the input in the source list. The cable itself is $4 on eBay. The question is though, could I just go to a wrecker and change this basic FM/CD unit to the optional RT3 head unit which had Bluetooth and allowed for satnav using a colour screen in the dash (instead of the orange dot matrix screen I have)? If I did swap it though, would I need to swap in the colour screen too? It looks like that might require swapping the entire dashboard? Surely if this was a dealer option, the dealers didn't have to swap a whole dashboard to sell the customer Bluetooth...

    Does anyone have knowledge of the different dealer options from when the 2005-2008 (first generation facelift) C5 was originally sold? Most importantly, was the RT3 available WITHOUT the colour dash screen?

    Cheers,
    Blufires
    I've installed one of the AUX cables you mention here on an RD4 unit, and enabled it in the BSI. It cost about $6 so was a cheap way of connecting to the head unit, but certainly doesn't have the convenience of bluetooth. Our requirement was the same - playing music, not making phone calls, and not using CD's which scratch, warp, jump, skip, get lost and just play up. Did you have any luck with an RT3 unit ?

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    Hi Greg,

    I have been down and pulled out the radio again. I don't have a CD changer but there is a plug in the CD changer socket and it has the pink wire connected to pin 12 ?? All the RD4 pinouts I can find says this pin is 'not used' for the CD Changer.

    The wires connected into the AUX port seem to be connected to AUX2 right, left and earth. I think 8499 is a dual RCA socket that is supposed to be mounted in roof the glovebox but my car doesn't seem to have anything there. But then the glovebox had to come out very soon after I bought the car because the lid release failed and maybe it got lost inside during the repair process just like to glovebox cold air supply pipe.

    Cheers, Ken

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    Can't help but I think you are closing in

    This from Frenchcarforum - note the pink wire at pin 12, doesn't help other than to say you're not alone. . .

    The second white 12 pin connector appears to be identified as you suspect as RCA/AUX outs fitted in the glovebox.




    https://frenchcarforum.co.uk/forum/v...p?f=48&t=58078

    Comment out of left field for what it's worth, I have read somewhere that the reverse sensors in some way are associated with the head unit? Could it be that the pink wire at 12 is a tone signal? Wiring diagram for your VIN would be useful. . .

    Again, not that it helps but my car does not have the RCAs in the glovebox (2008), haven't pulled the head unit but I suspect mine will be like yours at the 12 pin white connection.

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    Wow Chris,

    Now I know what I am looking for near the glovebox. I can even see how it clicks into the roof of the glovebox. Maybe next time I change the pollen filter, I will take the glovebox out and have a look around.

    My SEDRE has given me a pretty close circuit diagram - only the pink wire is missing.

    Cheers, Ken

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    Well my Yatour M06 arrived in the post today. So I unpacked it and raced down to pull out the radio and see if it would work. I pulled the whole connector pack off the radio and took out the connector with the pink wire to find it doesn't connect to anything - which was good. I plugged in the M06 connector and plugged the whole connector pack back into the radio. No joy - it would still only recognise the internal MP3 CD and the tuner. No sign of the CD changer.

    Last week I found the other end of the AUX 2 cable over near the BSI/fusebox. I did connect my Diagbox and tried to enable the AUX 2 input on the AUTORADIO. Everything seemed to go OK but I kept getting a Programming Failed message after I hit the gearwheels button. I suspect I might get the same when I try to enable the CD Changer. Does anyone have any clues? I went in using the Diagnosis menu option, should I use the repair menu option instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken W View Post
    Well my Yatour M06 arrived in the post today. So I unpacked it and raced down to pull out the radio and see if it would work. I pulled the whole connector pack off the radio and took out the connector with the pink wire to find it doesn't connect to anything - which was good. I plugged in the M06 connector and plugged the whole connector pack back into the radio. No joy - it would still only recognise the internal MP3 CD and the tuner. No sign of the CD changer.

    Last week I found the other end of the AUX 2 cable over near the BSI/fusebox. I did connect my Diagbox and tried to enable the AUX 2 input on the AUTORADIO. Everything seemed to go OK but I kept getting a Programming Failed message after I hit the gearwheels button. I suspect I might get the same when I try to enable the CD Changer. Does anyone have any clues? I went in using the Diagnosis menu option, should I use the repair menu option instead?

    Confused Ken
    According to this you need to activate the CD changer not AUX. . .
    How to activate/enable CD changer port function of RD3/RD4 Peugeot Citroen?

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    Hi Froggers,

    I have installed my Yatour M06 Digital Music Changer. Thanks to Greenblood's clues, I found that you enable the CD changer in the BSI configuration and then in the multifunction display as well. While I was in there, I enabled the telematics in the MF display and the very hot climate in the BSI. Now I have a phone symbol with a line on it on the MF display. I think once the BTM is fitted I will have to enable that in the BSI. Is this all the reprogramming that is needed?

    However the Yatour M06 is being temperamental. If the car has been off overnight or is off for more than a few hours, the radio will not find the CD Changer immediately. It is almost like once the BSI shuts down, the radio shuts off power to the Yatour and then it takes about ten minutes to find it again after the radio is turned on at the next start.

    I note that in the Yatour book it says there are some interconnection leads the have a 12 volt flying lead for connection to a continuous 12 volt source. Is that what I need?

    My BTM bluetooth module is being delivered today and I need to get the M06 coming on each time the radio is turned on if the bluetooth is going to be of any use.

    Cheers, Ken

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    Quick question - what does the 'very hot climate in the BSI' setting do ?

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    Hi Guys,

    OK, beware if you do it? It might cause problems?

    Basically, our Citroen's are set from the factory for Hot Climates for the Auto Air Conditioner. You can go into the BSI and change the BSI AC settings on some cars to Very Hot Climates, which I believe is more in tune with our climate. I can't exactly remember the temp differences, but think VHC is max 45 deg. Maitland temp the other day according to the car temp was 45 deg.

    What happens is the Climate Control is more preemptive. It ups the fans speed sooner rather than later on those very hot days, and the Auto climate controlled is far more responsive.

    What the unknown is, is, is our cars equipped with all the necessary parts and equipment for operating the AC for Very Hot Climates, or is it nothing more that a programming change?

    I reset out C5 X7 2.7 last summer and the effect was immediately noticeable, and there have been no adverse affects, so I think that at least with our model it's purely a programming change.

    Whether that's the case on other models etc, that is something that you need to take the responsibility for.

    I was admonished severely by my Citroen mate for making the change, but I do note he's not backward in modifying his cars when it suites him!

    In my defence, if you change the BSI setting to something that it's not capable of, it will come up with faults, which hasn't happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ken W View Post

    However the Yatour M06 is being temperamental. If the car has been off overnight or is off for more than a few hours, the radio will not find the CD Changer immediately. It is almost like once the BSI shuts down, the radio shuts off power to the Yatour and then it takes about ten minutes to find it again after the radio is turned on at the next start.

    I note that in the Yatour book it says there are some interconnection leads the have a 12 volt flying lead for connection to a continuous 12 volt source. Is that what I need?

    My BTM bluetooth module is being delivered today and I need to get the M06 coming on each time the radio is turned on if the bluetooth is going to be of any use.

    Cheers, Ken
    Ken,
    Looking at the manual online I see a couple of points that may be helpful. . . I guess if the Yatour did not have a black/yellow or red fly lead it is not required?

    Point #6 might be relevant though, you need to disconnect power to the headunit before installing the unit - the headunit may need to initialise and recognise the Yatour?

    1. If there is a BLACK ground wire on the harness, please attach it to any
    metal part of the car stereo body; If there is a YELLOW power wire on
    the harness, please attach it to the power of the car, which connect to
    battery; If there is a RED ACC wire on the harness, please attach it to
    the ACC signal of the car. Without attaching those cables to the right
    position, this Digital Music Changer will not work!

    6. As for installation on CAN-Bus radios of Peugeot/Citroen, Renault,
    Ford(new) and Mazda(new), it is required to unplug the radio from the
    power before installation. Otherwise, Digital Music Changer might work
    improperly or the radio might be caused damage. Regarding
    Peugeot/Citroen without pre-installed CD Changer, to enable Digital
    Music Changer to work, the CD Changer function must be activated by
    professional tools. Please enquire the Peugeot/Citroen dealer on how
    to activate the CD Changer function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Hi Guys,

    OK, beware if you do it? It might cause problems?

    Basically, our Citroen's are set from the factory for Hot Climates for the Auto Air Conditioner. You can go into the BSI and change the BSI AC settings on some cars to Very Hot Climates, which I believe is more in tune with our climate. I can't exactly remember the temp differences, but think VHC is max 45 deg. Maitland temp the other day according to the car temp was 45 deg.

    What happens is the Climate Control is more preemptive. It ups the fans speed sooner rather than later on those very hot days, and the Auto climate controlled is far more responsive.

    What the unknown is, is, is our cars equipped with all the necessary parts and equipment for operating the AC for Very Hot Climates, or is it nothing more that a programming change?

    I reset out C5 X7 2.7 last summer and the effect was immediately noticeable, and there have been no adverse affects, so I think that at least with our model it's purely a programming change.

    Whether that's the case on other models etc, that is something that you need to take the responsibility for.

    I was admonished severely by my Citroen mate for making the change, but I do note he's not backward in modifying his cars when it suites him!

    In my defence, if you change the BSI setting to something that it's not capable of, it will come up with faults, which hasn't happened.

    Best regards,

    Greg
    One of the reasons I ask is because it's quite obvious that the climate control on our 2009 308 responds very differently to the climate control on our 2010 308. The 2009 is quite tardy in it's responses and very relaxed with the application of the fan speed in particular. The 2010 however tries to blow you out of the cabin by comparison. I'll check them later but I wouldn't be surprised at all if the 2009 is set to 'hot climate' and the 2010 is set to 'very hot climate' which would explain the differences given the same hardware in play.

    Cheers

    Justin
    '07 C3 Exclusive
    '10 308 Sportium Touring
    '12 Megane RS265 8:08

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