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    Excellent!
    It maintains the same styling theme as our C4 Picasso, sadly no longer available.


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    Have there been any web comments about the *new suspension* yet??
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    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
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    sold ..... D Special 1974 ... to fellow Tassie AFer.
    sold ..... Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    sold .....GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    sold .... 1986 2CV6

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    Not read any. Who will be the first to do an objective road test I wonder. I'm really interested.

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    Yes, me too!.. I'm a fan of the current series, the 2018 model is VERY enticing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Motorgnome View Post
    Yes, me too!.. I'm a fan of the current series, the 2018 model is VERY enticing.

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    And so clever the way the old paint comes off in triangles.

    I really like the pale grey interior and square cushioned front seats, shades of SM and M35 style.
    No doubt we will have to wait to see what options the new local importer selects. Hopefully a real automatic and a diesel.
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    There is plenty of print and video information on the new Citroen Progressive Hydraulic Cushions suspension on the Internet.

    Do a Google search - it's that easy.
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    There's surprisingly little except for Citroen publicity and journalism derived from it. I am waiting for some independent reviews that compare the new system with Hydractive.
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    It's not really comparable to real Hydractive (H1, H2 and H3+) as opposed to what has been called H3. Those change their damping in a step change by isolating the 'stiffness regulation' additional spheres and changing the damping in the process. The Cactus system might be better seen as soft damping in the mid range of movement with rising rate dampers at each end of travel. It won't respond directly to events such as throttle, braking and steering inputs as Hydractive does. I suspect the better comparison will be with the ride and comfort of the regular passive hydro-pneumatic suspension without any active components.

    It looks like an excellent upgrade, but it needed to be as it also fills the shoes of the departing C4.
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    The departing C4 B7 has a very gentle ride on its conventional spring suspension.
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    gee's it's bloody ugly isn't it ? ... it looks like the average plastic crap from every manufacturer. all image and no substance. I'm sure the poeple that care about the phone plugging into the car easily, and how the cars matches there cloths and makeup ( male and female that is) .... rather than the way the car drives will love it!

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    citroen have never had a problem with being unique clever or imaginative - simply believing in its originality in such a bland motor vehicle landscape AND MARKETING its products through a trustworthy network where ever it chooses to trade.
    may not be the the truth BUT if a company can develop such unique series through out its range and life span than surely it should consider backing it as well.

    MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING

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    Quote Originally Posted by lamoor View Post
    MARKETING MARKETING MARKETING
    But .. I want SUBSTANCE SUBSTANCE SUBSTANCE .... Look at the Citroen of the past. They designed a car THEY thought people needed (regardless of how good or bad it was). These days they are just trying to make something that will be "fashionable" long enough to sell a few cars.

    If people drive something like a Hi-undi I30 ... then the current citroen and think "where is one better than the other" ... where is there sales point? Eg: Drive a Citroen GS ... then a holden Gemini, or Datsun 120Y .................................... The GS seems to be worth every bit of it's price premium right ? infact it seems downright bloody spectacular.

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    Poor Citroen.
    Its always been tricky. The DS was launched in post-war optimism, and completely won over the audience.
    Zeitgeist? Yes, and, yes, the marketing was important. Arguably, too, France was looking for a national symbol of innovation, style, emerging engineering, post-war recovery and a new life...what better than the DS?

    The most financially successful (international?) model as I understand was the BX .. a deliberate attempt at a less "way-out" Citroen that would sell to non-Citroen buyers. And it did so, perhaps it also built some ongoing brand loyalty. It was one model that I avoided, perhaps unfairly.

    Some of us buy Citroens BECAUSE we want the extra complexity and the benefits of the hydraulics (as well as other important design and technical elements), and a lot of people we speak to will not buy one for the same reasons ... too complex, too weird, unserviceable, etc.

    So the move to a simplified, but comfortable suspension makes sense, Citroen buyers see it as a return to form, non Citroen people see it as a safer way to get into the "legendary" ride without the perceived pitfalls.

    Personally, of course, I also want to see radical innovative aesthetics, but Citroen will want to balance this with market acceptance.
    I quite like the Cactus look, and the general design of the newer models (but the ride in the DS4/5 ....so "un Citroen!")
    And other marques have started to copy some of the Citroen visuals. As usual ..

    As for marketing, indeed there are web articles, but I've only seen two "reviews/comments" so far, all they say is "thumbs up."
    Not much to go on.
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    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    sold ..... D Special 1974 ... to fellow Tassie AFer.
    sold ..... Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    sold .....GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    sold .... 1986 2CV6

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23 1973 Pallas
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyk View Post
    Poor Citroen.
    Its always been tricky. The DS was launched in post-war optimism, and completely won over the audience.
    Zeitgeist? Yes, and, yes, the marketing was important. Arguably, too, France was looking for a national symbol of innovation, style, emerging engineering, post-war recovery and a new life...what better than the DS?

    The most financially successful (international?) model as I understand was the BX .. a deliberate attempt at a less "way-out" Citroen that would sell to non-Citroen buyers. And it did so, perhaps it also built some ongoing brand loyalty. It was one model that I avoided, perhaps unfairly.

    Some of us buy Citroens BECAUSE we want the extra complexity and the benefits of the hydraulics (as well as other important design and technical elements), and a lot of people we speak to will not buy one for the same reasons ... too complex, too weird, unserviceable, etc.

    So the move to a simplified, but comfortable suspension makes sense, Citroen buyers see it as a return to form, non Citroen people see it as a safer way to get into the "legendary" ride without the perceived pitfalls.

    Personally, of course, I also want to see radical innovative aesthetics, but Citroen will want to balance this with market acceptance.
    I quite like the Cactus look, and the general design of the newer models (but the ride in the DS4/5 ....so "un Citroen!")
    And other marques have started to copy some of the Citroen visuals. As usual ..

    As for marketing, indeed there are web articles, but I've only seen two "reviews/comments" so far, all they say is "thumbs up."
    Not much to go on.
    Maybe this is an example of Peugeot rediscovering their forte. They used to be famous for their spring and damper settings in the 404 and 504 days, and frankly those old Peugeots rode so well they would equal a Xantia.( self levelling excepted).
    These new strut designs are well an update of Peugeot's classic days when they made their own macpherson struts with ... 7 stage damping (?). My second nose C5 has Peugeot stamped on its struts .. and a sphere atop.
    What we have seen remains macpherson strut but that spring and damper concept could be applied to any suspension design, wishbones, trailing arms. leading arms.... I like David S's description of its functioning. Easier to understand than the coloured diagrams and coffee cups !
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyk View Post
    And other marques have started to copy some of the Citroen visuals. As usual ..

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    Was this one of those? Bit like a Cactus?

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    Most Hyundai styling is by Germans.


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    Quote Originally Posted by turnbull151 View Post
    Was this one of those? Bit like a Cactus?

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    uh-huh.

    And...the Parker's article is encouraging!
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    sold ..... D Special 1974 ... to fellow Tassie AFer.
    sold ..... Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    sold .....GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    sold .... 1986 2CV6

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23 1973 Pallas
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

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    Quote Originally Posted by turnbull151 View Post
    Was this one of those? Bit like a Cactus?

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    Very much! A white/grey-trim Kona parks out front of my place.... I think it looks great.
    Can't say anything about other aspects of the car. Cactus like, for sure.
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    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    sold ..... D Special 1974 ... to fellow Tassie AFer.
    sold ..... Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    sold .....GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    sold .... 1986 2CV6

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23 1973 Pallas
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobL View Post
    that's not the actual 2018 model
    I've just spent a month driving in Spain and Portugal in a Europass Cactus that was built in March
    suspension, steering, handling no issue
    it had the dreadful 5 speed auto, which is a stinker

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    5 speed auto
    Which is that?

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    This restaurant reviewer certainly thinks the Kona looks like the Cactus:
    https://youtu.be/0c_QYnepf6k

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaman View Post
    Most Hyundai styling is by Germans.


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    As is their suspension engineering I think. I read somewhere of a design centre in Germany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron View Post
    But .. I want SUBSTANCE SUBSTANCE SUBSTANCE .... Look at the Citroen of the past. They designed a car THEY thought people needed (regardless of how good or bad it was). These days they are just trying to make something that will be "fashionable" long enough to sell a few cars.
    I actually get the impression that CitroŽn are ďback on trackĒ with cars of substance - if by substance we mean technology, practicality and comfort.

    Looking at the things in the pipeline, we have this new suspension system, which, if any of the little reviews and comments are worth their salt, sounds like an extremely impressive and comfortable ride indeed. Sure, not a Hydractive system. We have couch-like seats and interiors. We have well insulated interiors from noise. We have phone chargers etc - smirk all you want, but modern car buyers are looking for things like Apple CarPlay and wireless charging pads more than you think, and will be doing so more in the future.

    If people drive something like a Hi-undi I30 ... then the current citroen and think "where is one better than the other" ... where is there sales point?
    I think the point is that CitroŽn have started to remember what their sales point is that makes them ďbetterĒ - comfort, technology and design. Consider the recent C4, and the previous C3 - now they are cars so bland that they may as well be a Hyundai. What distinguished them? An ordinary ride, ordinary interiors.

    But the new things in the pipeline all speak to this new ďcomfortĒ branding. There are three things that people remember and associate with the CitroŽn of old: ďgosh those cars were wacky; they were very advanced and interesting technologically; and damn they were comfortable.Ē It seems to me that a car like this new Cactus may indeed tick those boxes - technologically interesting in suspension, lightweight frame, electronics etc; wacky looking (but still attractive); and comfortable in the way that CitroŽn have apparently decided to try and make car interiors like lounges, unlike any other manufacturer Iím aware of - and presumably comfortable with the new suspension that reflects the CitroŽn of old, and distinguishes CitroŽn once again specifically for ride comfort.

    I donít know if any of that will work, but I donít think youíre giving them enough credit for what is a clear direction for the future. Thereís been a good decade of pretty bland and ďun-CitroŽnĒ models (although the clever design and practicality of the Picasso has stood out); and now they are forging ahead with what seems like a very specific, considered plan that reflects their history as well.

    Well, thatís how I read it as an outsider. Iím optimistic about their future - although God knows if theyíll ever sell in Australia.

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