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    Default C5 tyre suggestion?

    Gotta get some replacements for the Michelins .... anyone had good experiences with cheapies?
    On line suggestions include Hankook Ventus, Falken ZE914, maybe Kinforest.

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    I's come up in AF before. Dunlop SP sport FM800 was recommended, but these large tyres are all pricey.

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    Two things would help, a reminder of the tyre size & some advice as to your tyre performance priorities.

    cheers! Peter

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    215/55/16 ...yes, the expensive ones are straightforward...the ones Iím interested in are the circa $100 varieties. Ones that still handle, ride, and wear reasonably well.


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    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    The Dunlopís are pretty good on our Camry - I wouldnít buy cheapies, maybe plug the tyre size into tyresales.com.au and see what options come up? The prices can be pretty good on quality tyres.


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    Quote Originally Posted by blahblah View Post
    The Dunlopís are pretty good on our Camry - I wouldnít buy cheapies, maybe plug the tyre size into tyresales.com.au and see what options come up? The prices can be pretty good on quality tyres.


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    We are running a couple of Dunlop LM 704 at this time. They are proving to be good in terms of noise and wear.
    At time of fitting they were just over the magic $100 each. Made in Japan too.

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    Good to hear.

    I did some web surfing, some OS sites (reviewing C5 tyres) gave good scores on Hankook, Kumho and Falken.

    I've run Michelins on my Citroens since Forever, and they are invariably excellent, but it does seem that the cheaper models (e.g. Energy Saver) are no better than some of these other brands. I have found that Michelins usually balance better than others, and also seem to hold pressure longer, so its a combination of factors. But equally, time moves on, so I'm interested to see what 2017 offers.
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    Last 2 sets on my C5 have been Bridgestone. They have worn very well. Original Michelin were worn out in 35,000km.
    Got the 4 for price of 3 deal. They are the Turanza type and have a very deep tread (longer wearing?)

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    A few years ago I replaced the original Michelins on my 2009 C5 with Yokohama C Drive 2 tyres after discussing with the BobJane T Mart guys the relative merits of these tyres with the Michelin equivalent.

    The Yokohamas were easily as good as the Michelins, both around town and on trips, perhaps a little quieter and softer.

    Best of all, I got the "Buy Three and Get One Free" deal, which still comes up regularly, so it was win-win all the way, and I saved a very considerable amount of money over the Michelins.

    When I replaced the C5 X7 with a DS5, there were still plenty of kms left on the Yokohamas.

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    I can't imagine getting anything better than "dire in the wet" for c. $100. And the wet is where one gets the most significant differences in tyre performance. I personally am not inclined to value longevity as it is in some tension with wet performance - obviously we differ here & I can only advise asking for the American DOT treadwear rating. Anything over 400 is pretty long lasting & under 200 is going to wear out much faster than you'll want.

    Looking at Jax's website (they publish prices), the cheapest tyre is the Achilles 2233 at $109. Browsing Choice tyre tests shows a weakness in cornering in the wet (45%). For comparison, the (overpriced) Turanza ER300 mentioned above got 75% & the Dunlop LM704 got 35%. I wouldn't go down this path.

    The first decent tyre in Jax's list is the Hankook Ventus S1 Noble 2 at $165 (with a $50 cashback if you buy 4). Incidentally, "4 for price of 3" deals are less common now.

    Others for a little more money are: Pirelli's P1 at $179 (not as good in the wet as others mentioned here but not too bad & it is long-lasting), Dunlop's FM800 (a very good wet tyre) & Michelin's Primacy 3 ST & PilotSport 3 at $199 (the latter is better in every way except longevity).

    Unless it proves to have a very low treadwear rating, I can't see why one wouldn't save money & get the Hankook. If it does prove to have a low treadwear rating, the lower price of the Hankook might still make it cheaper per km than others on my shortlist.

    The Falken ZE914 & the Kumho Ecsta HS51 are not Jax lines but would be a bit cheaper than the Hankook. The 914 is another generally poor wet tyre as is the HS51 (which also, from one test) seems to wear fast (wear approx. 24k kms & worst in test; by comparison, the Michelin Primacy3, not the ST variant, lasted about 35k). I can't see how the minimal savings on each over the Hankook is warranted.

    So, given what you have said, I'd be inclined to recommend the Hankook S1 Noble 2. It's not what I'd buy - I'd get the Premium Contact2 & not worry about its high wear or price - but your priorities differ.

    cheers! Peter

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    Thanx for the input.

    Yup, I do value wet weather handling, etc, and would be fine to compromise some elements to achieve a good balance of performance parameters. As it happens, I have found a chap with a stash of used Michelin Primacy HPs and hope to hear back from him later in the week. If that doesn't work out, it will be *Plan B.*
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyk View Post

    ... used Michelin Primacy HPs ...
    Hmm! I'd check the 4 digit manufacturing date stamp on the sidewall. The HP has never been much of a tyre for the wet & with the compound degradation of age . . .

    Usual industry rule of thumb on tyre age is significant wet grip loss by 5 years & significant risk of structural failure (notably belt separation) by 10 years.

    On much the same point, if you do buy from TyreSales then I'd be getting prior agreement about stock age & paying nothing until you're checked the stamp for yourself. My recollection is of seeing the fine print on their web site in which they say that stock will be under 4 (!!) years of age.

    cheers! Peter

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