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    Default HELP NEEDED - Where is my CX 25 Prestige?

    Dear Forum:

    A very unhappy situation has arisen in Melbourne and need help

    In summary. my 1986 Citroen CX 25 Prestige reg BX 30 VL ( NSW plates) was given to Robert Heka of Heka and Co Restorations and his " partner" Joachim Gerhard Pydde at the beginning of 2016 for a mechanical and body restoration on a quote of 32.5K and promise of delivery in 12-16 weeks.

    It's now nearly 2 years of delays and long list of broken promises and representations and a spend of over 40 K and the car isn't finished and I am unable to contact either of these 2 characters.

    To make matters worse - the company has gone into liquidation and closed shop in Stephens Road Dandenong . I need to find my car and latest communication several weeks back was that they were refusing to release the car to my new nominated mechanic - so frustrated and disgusted had I become with the conduct and the disrespectful and contemptuous way in which I have been treated as a customer.

    Does anyone know where my car is being held , their whereabouts and where they may be working from?

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    I imagine you know; the company was deregistered from 23/08/17. ASIC's notice is at https://insolvencynotices.asic.gov.a...e-f5cf7c4535fb

    Reasons here: CORPORATIONS ACT 2001 - SECT 601AB Deregistration--ASIC initiated

    I spotted somewhere that the former registered office was Dingley Village. You may need a solicitor's help to get the car, should you locate it.

    I once had a great deal of trouble recovering my property from a receiver.
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    Police. ASAP. Whilst they may have a 'legitimate' reason the situation coukd also be perceived as 'theft'.
    Prior to going through the rigmarole of a solicitor the rigmarole of seeing if the police can make an enquiry on your behalf may save time and money. They should be able to trace the parties most quickly.
    I doubt the registry office would release any personal information on privacy/legal grounds.
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    Thanks

    The lack of ethics and unprofessionalism is so astounding ...,

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    Have you been down to there shop It's probably still there. I couldn't imagine the liquidators have allowed anything to be removed from the site.

    If anyone is onsite at all, I'd arrive with a car trailer and take my car... The only way they could stop me is bringing in the police. At which point they could explain to the officers why I am not allowed to take my own car with me.

    Also, this may also not be as simple as retrieving your car. What if it's in a million pieces with bits spread out over the place (eg: interior sent of to trimmers, exterior bits sent off to polishers and platers etc).

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    Their shop is shut

    Trying to track my car down

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal9thousand View Post
    Their shop is shut

    Trying to track my car down
    Yes, but the liquidators must be onsite at times. The trick is turn up when someone has the place unlocked. Then the only was they can prevent you removing your car is to physically restrain you... ie: actually have enough people there to physically detain and remove you from the premises.

    At this point the police are involved etc.. ( I always prefer the direct hands on approach myself. Trying to speak to people on the phone is almost always a waste of time).

    Can you report the car stolen, so when the police arrive to evict you while collecting the car, you can show them the theft report ... then the VIN on the car and say "my car, I'm taking".

    Did they do there own paintwork there ? Have you tried ringing around all the local body repair shops to see if the car is being painted at any of them ... It maybe sitting in the back corner of someones workshop with them wondering what on earth to do with it.

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    Company was deregistered, not liquidated. They likely moved stuff, closed shop, and walked away. Trade suppliers may have debts being chased or written off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    Company was deregistered, not liquidated. They likely moved stuff, closed shop, and walked away. Trade suppliers may have debts being chased or written off.
    They have probably left the customers cars on the premises. There is nothing to be gained by moving or hiding them (other than theft charges). I'm betting there is no working alarm systems onsite ( this is how I would be approaching this issue).
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    hello hal et al,

    When did you last visit Heka's site? And could you see inside?

    His equipment was heavy and there was a lot of spare parts. So difficult to move/hide.
    Last I spoke to him (2 years ago), he said he was planning to move somewhere else (he did not say where). But the move was very much in the future.

    The trick now, of course, is to first find your car

    I see you live in Apollo bay so doing anything in Melbourne is at least a days outing. So, if you like, I can go and check again ... ask the neighbours etc

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    I presume you seen these other threads. You might get some leads from there.

    Mr Heka Gone
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    Illness or worse or personal issues could be a root cause of the problem so I'll back off the knee jerk response I made. Hopefully you'll have some positive results asap. I read the other thread and it sounds like you have become the meat in a very unfortunate sandwich.
    Trust someone can shed some light for you on finding the guys. I'd be pissed off too but you need the other side of the story.
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    thanks Ian - have found it!

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    Fantastic! :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hal9thousand View Post
    thanks Ian - have found it!
    Where was it?
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    Such good news! Do you have it in your possession and is it in pieces or intact?
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    I'll stay tuned for the next update !

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    It would be good to publish some explanation as the thread is very critical of Heka and is that warranted?

    Or just delete the whole thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by forumnoreason View Post
    Police. ASAP. Whilst they may have a 'legitimate' reason the situation coukd also be perceived as 'theft'.
    Prior to going through the rigmarole of a solicitor the rigmarole of seeing if the police can make an enquiry on your behalf may save time and money. They should be able to trace the parties most quickly.
    I doubt the registry office would release any personal information on privacy/legal grounds.
    Police wouldn't touch this with a bargepole. It is a civil matter, not criminal.
    No, it's not theft, it is an agreement between two parties for property belonging to one being given to another for services and payment for those services. If the contract is not honoured, it is a breach of tort.
    Nothing whatsoever to do with the police.
    I would make an appointment with the Registrar of your Local Court to discuss the situation and at least get some idea of the processes. You would then need to engage a solicitor to handle the legal side.

    Don't listen to Shane (Double Chevron); he means well, although following his advice would probably get the police involved, with you being the offender.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 68 404 View Post

    Don't listen to Shane (Double Chevron); he means well, although following his advice would probably get the police involved, with you being the offender.

    Dave
    .... But hey ... you would get your car back I prefer the direct approach... Obviously I would never damage anything or remove anything that wasn't mine!

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    an agreement between two parties for property
    Complicated by the fact that one of the parties no longer exists.

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    um don't listen to Dave. He's more than 9 hours behind!

    Thats stronza that the police wouldn't touch it as if you went to a police station and said you had a car and left it with so and so and they are uncontactable the police would be an obvious route to solving the problem. Anyway glad you found it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    Complicated by the fact that one of the parties no longer exists.
    Is this person deceased ?

    Going bankrupt and ceasing to exist are quite different concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by forumnoreason View Post
    um don't listen to Dave. He's more than 9 hours behind!

    Thats stronza that the police wouldn't touch it as if you went to a police station and said you had a car and left it with so and so and they are uncontactable the police would be an obvious route to solving the problem. Anyway glad you found it...
    No ... Do listen to Dave .... He knows his stuff and does this for a living He's just trying to help!
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    Is this person deceased ?
    A company is a "person", and this one is extinct. Deregistered. It was not bankrupt.

    I'll leave it to our lawyers to decide what happens to the agreement for repair, but the car is still property, and I doubt anyone formerly connected with the company has permission to retain it.

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