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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac View Post
    Thanks for the kind thoughts.

    All is well insured and on an agreed value. The C5 wagon is replacement with new cover but were I twenty years younger I'd be happy to take Citroen on and demand a replacement due to the original car being unfit for purpose.

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    With damage beneath the roof sheets and smoke damage in three rooms we were very close to a catastrophe. Bev had been away for a month and there were times when I'd been to town, come home and parked the car and gone off on the tractor. Had the fire broke out then, with me over the hill slashing the house could have gone up before I was aware of it!

    There will be extensive repainting in the house, around a quarter of the roofing needs replacing, some timber sections replaced and new insulation due to fire damage. One set of windows have been replaced today and also temporary electrical repairs done to allow us to turn the power back on.

    Monday we expect the visit from a fire examiner from Perth. He will attempt to establish the cause of the fire. I don't like his chances.

    Anyone know of a good DS - BVH for sale? Must be a reasonable price though!
    There is one stateside.
    Insurance values here are astronomically high. Perhaps your's are too? A good payout may lead to a good replacement BVH.
    Sorry about the loss of the C5 and the damage to the house.

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    My wife works 8.4 kms from home and twice when she has arrived home you could smell the odour associated with the regen process. One night, there was also smoke coming from under bonnet.
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    Awful news re your cars and house, I was sitting here looking at the pics going "Oh no, oh no!".

    Fortunately you have survived relatively intact.

    Your chances of getting a new replacement C5 are about the same as getting a replacement DS BVH. The last RHD C5s were manufactured some time ago and I expect any hydropneumatic are long gone. Of course LHD hydropneumatic production has ceased too.

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    Such awful news. Am glad insurance will sort it all out. As an owner of a 508 SW, just saw this. Related?

    http://www.caradvice.com.au/550236/2...for-fire-risk/


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    Here is the list of all Aus delivered C5X7, DS4 and DS5 sold with the known starter motor connection fault.

    VIN-GBN
    VF7KFAHWTFS515485
    VF7KFAHWTFS516085
    VF7KFAHWTFS516196
    VF7KFAHWTFS516197
    VF7KFAHWTFS516198
    VF7KFAHWTFS516303
    VF7KFAHWTFS516787
    VF7KFAHWTFS517020
    VF7KFAHWTFS517269
    VF7KFAHWTFS517270
    VF7KFAHWTFS517271
    VF7KFAHWTFS517522
    VF7KFAHWTFS517654
    VF7KFAHWTFS517729
    VF7KFAHWTFS517798
    VF7KFAHWTFS517856
    VF7KFAHWTFS517857
    VF7KFAHWTFS517858
    VF7KFAHWTFS517990
    VF7KFAHWTFS517991
    VF7KFAHWTFS517992
    VF7KFAHWTFS517993
    VF7KFAHWTFS518065
    VF7KFAHWTFS518066
    VF7KFAHWTFS518067
    VF7KFAHWTFS518130
    VF7KFAHWTFS518198
    VF7KFAHWTFS518199
    VF7KFAHWTFS518268
    VF7KFAHWTFS518269
    VF7KFAHWTFS518270
    VF7KFAHWTFS518420
    VF7KFAHWTFS518421
    VF7KFAHWTFS518422
    VF7KFAHWTFS518423
    VF7KFAHWTFS518424
    VF7KFAHWTFS518425
    VF7KFAHWTFS518426
    VF7KFAHWTFS518427
    VF7KFAHWTFS521517
    VF7KFAHWTFS521577
    VF7KFAHWTFS521640
    VF7KFAHWTFS521707
    VF7KFAHWTFS521829
    VF7KFAHWTFS521831
    VF7KFAHWTFS521985
    VF7KFAHWTFS521986
    VF7KFAHWTFS521987
    VF7KFAHWTFS522221
    VF7NXAHWTFY574817
    VF7NXAHWTFY574818
    VF7NXAHWTFY574819
    VF7NXAHWTFY574820
    VF7NXAHWTFY574821
    VF7NXAHWTFY574822
    VF7NXAHWTFY575173
    VF7NXAHWTFY575174
    VF7NXAHWTFY575175
    VF7NXAHWTFY575176
    VF7NXAHWTFY575177
    VF7NXAHWTFY575178
    VF7NXAHWTFY575535
    VF7NXAHWTFY575536
    VF7NXAHWTFY575537
    VF7NXAHWTFY575538
    VF7NXAHWTFY575539
    VF7NXAHWTFY575540
    VF7NXAHWTFY575541
    VF7NXAHWTFY575542
    VF7NXAHWTFY575543
    VF7NXAHWTFY576097
    VF7NXAHWTFY576821
    VF7NXAHWTFY576822
    VF7NXAHWTFY576823
    VF7RDAHWTGL503341
    VF7RDAHWTGL503400
    VF7RDAHWTGL503401
    VF7RDAHWTGL503402
    VF7RDAHWTGL503480
    VF7RDAHWTGL503553
    VF7RDAHWTGL503554
    VF7RWAHWTGL503308
    VF7RWAHWTGL503438
    VF7RWAHWTGL503511


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    Gee's ... we have water, not fire down this way Nobody was hurt in the fire, so I think you have had a win. You could have been asleep in bed
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    I just saw this now - my heart just sunk. I have nothing new to add but you are in my thoughts and I'm glad that you and family are intact.
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    Terrible circumstances, but as I'm sure that it is starting to sink in how luck you were and how much worse it could have been.

    Just imagine if the C5 had been parked in the fully enclosed McMansion house garage rather than carports......

    And if you were to chase down Citroen Australia on a replacement vehicle - and that seems entirely reasonable to me - there is a new wagon in Australia listed on Carpoint

    2016 Citroen C5 Exclusive Auto MY16 Cars For Sale in VIC - CarPoint Australia

    BTW a mate of mine had a garage full of motorcycles that ended up with massive fire damage.........I went out and bought an extinguisher and fire blanket but hope to NEVER need it

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    I'm sorry to read this thread. That's a most unfortunate event, but luckily there was no personal injury. Cars and houses can be repaired or replaced, but burns, or worse, are permanent outcomes for those involved. I know how much time and effort can go into restoring and caring for these older cars. I can offer my commiserations.

    The C5 is clearly scrap. However, I wouldn't junk the DS just yet though. It certainly looks bad, but there have been a few other fire damaged cars redeemed and put back on the road with parts from Special or ID19 donors. Insurance will probably pay out and leave you with the salvaged wreck. It has certainly become very hot from the heat radiated from the burning C5, but the back end of the car didn't burn, so you may find the bones and major mechanicals are not as badly damaged as it might appear at first.

    Regarding UFO's post re the starter lead recall. Not all cars listed will have a fault when checked, but there are only three C5 Tourers (wagons) on that list:
    VF7RWAHWTGL503308
    VF7RWAHWTGL503438
    VF7RWAHWTGL503511

    They are supposedly all painted Pearl White per Citroen Service. So, I do not think the burnt C5 here would be affected by that problem as far as Citroen have identified the extent of that defect.

    The affected sedan C5s are the ones with RD in the VIN. The rest are DS4 or DS5 on that list. If anyone has a car on the list, take it to a dealer to have it checked and fixed if necessary.

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    We came to see you to give you a support hug at 11.00am (W.A. time) but you were not there. Had a look and yes you are lucky to have only little damage to the house.
    We had a bit of excitement at your place the two lamas nearly escaped as Elly opened the gate.


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    Once again, thanks for the support. Our insurance is through a farm package with Elders and they have been fantastic. The local manager and an assessor spent some time here yesterday. I'd already engaged an electrician to rectify as much of the damage to enable the power to be switched back on. Also contacted the glass mob to replace the one window shattered by the fire and we cleaned a lot of the soot coating everything off items yesterday. Now we have to pack up half the house to enable repainting, probably next week.

    The assessor has been suggesting things that, with his experience, will need replacing or attention. So if things go the way they have started Elders and their associated personnel are an excellent company to deal with. So far the approach has been brilliant and not the attempt to scrimp on the job to pare back their costs. It looks like proper replacement/re-instatement will follow.

    The only thing I can't replace is the new C5 and of course it will be very difficult to find another DS - BVH

    Slowly sinking in that we were so lucky that the house didn't go as well. Thanks to using the WA hardwood jarrah the main section of the house was very slow to burn. Had it been pine, like the front section of the carport, it would have been a very different story.

    What are my chances of Citroen Aust importing a replacement C5 diesel from their remaining stock in Europe?

    Following contact with our Dutch roadside assistance crew (who travelled with us on Raid Arctique) we were assured that overall the C5 is a reliable and generally trouble free model - in the European experience. The recall of cars here didn't include ours but the observation about the regeneration process is one to follow up. Thanks for the (usual) fantastic response from the aussiefrog community.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FNQ1000 View Post
    Terrible circumstances, but as I'm sure that it is starting to sink in how luck you were and how much worse it could have been.

    Just imagine if the C5 had been parked in the fully enclosed McMansion house garage rather than carports......

    And if you were to chase down Citroen Australia on a replacement vehicle - and that seems entirely reasonable to me - there is a new wagon in Australia listed on Carpoint

    2016 Citroen C5 Exclusive Auto MY16 Cars For Sale in VIC - CarPoint Australia

    BTW a mate of mine had a garage full of motorcycles that ended up with massive fire damage.........I went out and bought an extinguisher and fire blanket but hope to NEVER need it

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    That is just horrendous, at least you and the missus are ok. Worst thing about fires once you've started cleaning up is the stink that is hard to get rid of. Anyone with that model C5 aware of this would have to get a fire extinguisher asap? I know I'll be getting one for my D when it is used again, been there once and it wasn't fun. Hope you find a nice D to replace it with, such a shame.

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    Well, it's not really good news for C5 owners but it is not all that uncommon in Europe. Mostly incriminated : Short Circuits and Regen process. Some samples below: (incendie means fire)

    Incendie moteur pendant roulage - C5 - CitroŽn - FORUM Marques ...
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    Bonjour, j'ai ce problŤme sur une C5 ph1 2.0 HDI, elle a prit feu pendant son utilisation au niveau du compartiment moteur, avez vous des infos ...
    Debut d'incendie - Xsara Picasso - CitroŽn - FORUM ... 8 posts 30 Dec 2014
    risque d'incendie pendant rťgťnťration du fap - C5 ... 1 post 8 Nov 2010
    Une C5 de 2008 prend feu brusquement - C5 - CitroŽn ... 11 posts 6 Oct 2010
    C4 picasso a pris feu - C4 Picasso - CitroŽn - FORUM ... 35 posts 14 Sep 2007
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    Really sorry to see this. As everyone has said, at least nobody was hurt. Hopefully insurance puts you right.
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    Ross, can you tell us the engine configuration of your car ? - or any one who knows Ross's car - the guys in the french club would like to know and see if they can help with a reason for the fire.
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    It was one of the batch of 62 cars/wagons brought in last year (after the Finale) Not one of the 10 Euro 6 cars but a Euro 5 engine.
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    The RHH motor (DW10C) has been known to leak oil (usually slowly) from the turbo.

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    What sort of mileages/age of engine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmac View Post
    It was one of the batch of 62 cars/wagons brought in last year (after the Finale) Not one of the 10 Euro 6 cars but a Euro 5 engine.
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    Rmac,

    Thanks for posting, incredible to see the pictures, how quickly and all consuming the fire became. If there is a bright side, it looks like it could easily have been much worse. A good reminder to check and make sure everyone has adequate, up to date insurance, it's hard to imagine such a disaster. Happy to read ultimately this will all be recoverable in time. Perhaps the BVH is rebuildable with a suitable auto or manual donor car. There maybe a DS23 efi auto here that would make a good donor. If you are interested email for info
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    I only just found out about your tragic loss and hope you don't have too many hassles with the insurance and finding replacement vehicles.
    I can partly understand how you must feel as many years ago I lost possibly the best Peugeot 403 in the state when my garage went up in flames. (thanks to a neighbor!) I certainly would be in tears if I lost my DS21BVH in similar circumstances.

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    Here are some opinions about the possible causes from the French Clubs - Google translations :

    "-A shortcircuit is possible, a rodent fond of insulating sheath can be the cause, since now these famous sheaths are no longer plastic but corn starch for ecological reasons.
    My brother in law works at PSA and has seen many cases of gnats of sheaths by rodents ..."

    "- The photo shows that the fire is much more violent towards the hood of the c5, the cockpit is still very inflamed, the rear is not at all and nothing under the vehicle so the fap Is not the culprit.

    It is almost certain that the fire started on the engine compartment, the thesis of the short circuit is to favor."

    "-I always ask myself questions during regeneration FAP.
    It always smells hot when it is not finished and you get the car in the garage.

    It can be the enormous heat generated during regeneration of the FAP. In such cases, conditions such as dry grass or dead leaves are sufficient to serve as fuel."


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    On the topic of insurance, it's worth remembering that Shannons does a great deal ie:
    DS23IE (in my signature) full comprehensive, $24000 agreed value, keep the damaged shell, premium for 12 months: $210 !
    Surely that can't be bettered?
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    What a story, Ross, wow so lucky nobody was hurt. I guess this could happen to anyone, with any type of car. This is why we all have insurance.
    So sad to see the Ds go up as well.
    Yes, it could have been far worse. Good luck with the claims and recovery process.
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