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    As Australia has the second highest rate of Mesothelioma in the world, 30 in a million, this might interest a few:

    Mesothelioma is also caused by Erionite. Who ever heard of Erionite? It's found in QLD, NSW, TAS and here in Victoria in Baw Baw Shire, Bass Coast Shire and the Flinders area.

    https://www.earthmagazine.org/articl...found-least-13

    https://www.mindat.org/min-1399.html

    Amazing what you learn. Apparently it's not found in old gaskets, seals and insulation but..........

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    Very interesting Kim. I wasn't aware of that material. However, the important difference is there are no significant industrial applications that put it in contact with vast numbers of people as is the case with asbestos.

    Remember, the law changed in this country in 2003 wrt asbestos, but we have never seen the invasive testing of old cars as has begun this year. ABF is doing what the law requires in trying to prevent asbestos materials being imported and exported and they have altered their testing regime only this year. What may have been the case even last year seems to have changed and the rules will now be different and more difficult to navigate unless some concessions are made. What is likely to have a practical implication here is the testing in old cars as it relates to asbestos, but not to Erionite or cigarettes.

    p.s. DKW was German and part of Auto Union, now Audi. It was based in the East before the wall and the factories were lost, with the two-stroke technology turning up in Trabant and Wartburg, while also developed further in the West.
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    I think customs would be right on to an early model Trabant imported full of cigarettes!
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    An interesting read in this months "Restored Cars" page 48 on this very issue. There may have been a few precedents already set !

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    Dear David

    East German auto history is interesting. Among other things they did amazing things with two stroke motor bike engines, which formed the basis for the Jap racing 2 strokes a bit later on

    They had to cope with pretty basic conditions, but did a pretty good job

    If in Germany it is worth visiting Eisenach, where they have the old Wartburg factory, now a museum including some Austin Sevens made under licence which are fascinating - dead ringers, but subtle differences. Also good racing history and interesting cars.

    Place is also JS Bach's birthplace with very good museum. You can read his school reports ( better than mine ). There is also a lot about Luther ( translated the Bible there and developed a new language for Germany in his spare time ) , together with a lot of beautiful forest walks.

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    p.s. DKW was German and part of Auto Union, now Audi. It was based in the East before the wall and the factories were lost, with the two-stroke technology turning up in Trabant and Wartburg, while also developed further in the West.[/QUOTE]

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    Ouch. How many thousand old French cars, and most others, have copper-asbestos laminated head gaskets, just for starters? It will be interesting to see how this evolves for those involved in importation. Thanks for the post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW View Post
    Ouch. How many thousand old French cars, and most others, have copper-asbestos laminated head gaskets, just for starters? It will be interesting to see how this evolves for those involved in importation. Thanks for the post.
    If the strict enforcement is continued then the cost of importing...and exporting...has just gone up significantly
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    My guess is that the usual importers will find an overseas "specialist" probably in a least regulated country that will strip and clean cars at a set price and then certify that clearance for customs/border force - probably be set up by an ex border force entrepreneur and connections with government inspection service Australia to ensure clearance. Price would be set for the complete and guaranteed entry just like an insurance policy.

    The downside is that at some time, the poor who are employed to do the removal for certification, might not have or want the protections that the Border Force and Governments see as needed by the Australian people.

    Other than that perhaps a duplication of the Australian union protected "Industry" on Australian soil that gives some say. "Lip Service" to removal techniques much like a tolled service to industry covering removal of asbestos from building with lots of plastic sheeting, negative air pressure and filters. Might be competitive or have good enough pull with governments to outlaw overseas certification.

    Rich collectors will just factor in what is needed and boost prices. The "big effect" for all us family style restorers and collectors will be when governments outlaw or even just respond to regulating existing cars in the hands of private persons in Australia, and there will be high pressure for that to happen!

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    I don't think brake linings are much of an obstacle as you can easily import without them. The worry is clutch facings and gaskets. To assume gasket material is a public killer is clinging to absurdity.

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    The relevant Minister could amend the act and create an exemption for classic vehicles....
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    It could be interesting for any Aussie who ships their car overseas for a special event then brings it back....

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    It could be interesting for any Aussie who ships their car overseas for a special event then brings it back....
    and then That's a very sensible comment.

    Doesn't apply to me, much as I'd like to drive the 4CV up the Champs Elysees...... Or the CX for that matter I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dogboy View Post
    The relevant Minister could amend the act and create an exemption for classic vehicles....
    On current form, we'd need a plebiscite for that....
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    And you'd probably not be allowed two cars of the same type in a shipment together

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    Quote Originally Posted by UFO View Post
    It could be interesting for any Aussie who ships their car overseas for a special event then brings it back....
    This is the very problem we have been grappling with re the cars that are going on Raid New Zealand. We were aware of the introduction of the new testing regime but hadn't realised the absurdity of it until reading the Ferrari-on-line article. After many hours of wading through ABF & Dept of Infrastructure websites and long phone calls to government departments, that gave no clear direction at all, the voice of reason came from the customs agent who will be handling the re-importation when the cars arrive back in Australia. The long & the short of it for us is that as our cars originated in Australia and will be traveling on carnets, they will simply be documented as existing Australian goods being re-imported. There will be no requirements other than the agent confirming that they do not contain asbestos. But this of course will not be the case if you are bringing a car into Australia which has never prior been in the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
    This is the very problem we have been grappling with re the cars that are going on Raid New Zealand. ... There will be no requirements other than the agent confirming that they do not contain asbestos...

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    But how can the agent confirm the vehicles do not contain asbestos if they do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by citroenthusiast View Post
    But how can the agent confirm the vehicles do not contain asbestos if they do?
    well, that is the easy bit .... destructive, expensive testing ............
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    Quote Originally Posted by citroenthusiast View Post
    But how can the agent confirm the vehicles do not contain asbestos if they do?
    Simple! He can't!
    These guys can take their cars across the ditch but they cannot bring them back to Oz! What a pain in this our dearly beloved Nanny State!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerrypro View Post
    Simple! He can't!
    These guys can take their cars across the ditch but they cannot bring them back to Oz! What a pain in this our dearly beloved Nanny State!
    Since the testing regime came into being and the ABF's heavy handed initial over reaction, perspective has returned and the Customs Department has stated that they don't want to undermine the Licensed Customs Brokers. So as long as the LCB is satisfied that he is being told the truth about no asbestos he, the LCB, makes a "No" statement on the import papers and all is well. I do stress though that our cars are ordinated in Australia, and as such it is assumed that they therefore contain no asbestos components. The LCB then only needs to be assured that we haven't added any asbestos components will the cars were in NZ.
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    Sounds good if you only have to remove the clutch the brake linings and the exhaust gaskets to be able to truthfully tell the LCB that you have no asbestos!!!!!!!! Then of course your car is undrivable! Officialdom is populated by a bunch of W*****s! ( Rhymes with crankers)
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