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    Hi this is a first post to Aussiefrogs. I am seeking drawings and catalogue numbers for a repair to a 1972 DS23 Break gear box. The box is in the hands of a repairer and he is having trouble getting replacement parts for the fifth gear. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
    Peter MG

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    Hi Peter,

    I think you would need to download the Factory (Technical) Manuals for the Citroen D Series of models.

    If you use this link (https://citroenclassics.wordpress.co...rkshop-manual/) you should be able to download them.

    I have printed each volume out and bounded it so either myself, or my mechanic can rely on it.

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    I don't know how widely available spares are? Harry Martens over in (Germany) is arguably the DS gearbox expert. Worst comes to the worst you could try putting your shop in touch with him for advice/ discussion. A bit risky, but it might be more economical/ practical to source another gearbox and drop it straight in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Budge View Post
    I don't know how widely available spares are? Harry Martens over in (Germany) is arguably the DS gearbox expert. Worst comes to the worst you could try putting your shop in touch with him for advice/ discussion. A bit risky, but it might be more economical/ practical to source another gearbox and drop it straight in.
    Harry is a forum member and may see this thread - very helpful with advice and definitely the go to for parts. . .
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    Many thanks for the helpful replies. I have located a drawing and parts details for the gearbox. Incidentally, I incorrectly identified the manufacture Year as 72 rather than 73. Some info obtained indicates that the 5 speed box was reputed by some owners as having an issue with gear whine in 5th from early in the life of some transmissions.
    It appears that there is wear on the needle bearing roller andthis may be addressed by reaming out the gear pinion and inserting a self lubricating sleeve? Also replacing the needle roller caged. Any thoughts? Peter

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    Good talking to you on the phone about your '23 Safari.
    This is a great forum to discuss issues you may have with your Citroen.
    Hopefully you will get the advice to enable you to repair the 5 Speed Box as this tall gear makes for great cruising.
    You mentioned that you have an issue with the engine. Again, don't hesitate to ask questions on this sight as we have some clever people that are only to willing to assist.
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    Thanks Michael. I have found your advice and guidance very encouraging, as did a conversation with Lance at DS Motors. Both conversations good sources of ideas and knowledge of options. THis Reno is now into Year 8 I think. I acquired the Safari from Bacchus Marsh in 2011 and wonder if anyone recalls this vehicle in Victoria, or elsewhere. It was formerly registered in NSW and had some repairs in Sale around 1984/5 and by Heka in Melbourne before being off the road until I purchased it from Mark and Colleen Foster ( from Mark's Estate). The Safari was white with the traditional grey roof and tail gates.

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    Hi, wining comes from or cwp or bearing in front. Wining in 5th does not come from needle bearing. When in 5th the cogwheel is connect with synchro hub on primary shaft and there rotates with same speed.

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    harry
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    Thanks for guidance Harry. I have spoken to my local repairer and shared your suggested other possible source of the whine in the gearbox. He has been able to demonstrate the wear damage on the pinion and in the needle bearing cage.
    The little information I have about the history of the car suggests that it may have around 200000 km on the clock (or more?) and so it is impossible to know about the wear and tear factor. The wagon is fitted with a tow bar and possibly has done a lot of camping and towing work? Peter
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