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    I need to get a new car to replace my recently written of megane and the picasso is getting some serious consideration.

    My criteria for a car is, needs to be Ok to drive, needs to be a hard working mule with racks and tower, and should have 7 seats.
    Will split roles as a family (of 5) car, a muso's work van lugging PA and gear and other muses around, and as a home renovators truck. If it is fun to drive that is a bonus. I want the 7 seats for the times grand parents or friends are traveling with us. Taking two cars sucks.

    Being a tight ass, I don't want to spend much on buying or running the car either. Am also happy with a diesel donk.


    Am looking at sub 100k Km cars for around $12k.

    It seems a 2011ish Picasso will fit that brief.
    Would I be a fool to consider one???

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    Also, are there any major thresholds of change that occurred around that time, or years to avoid??

    Interested in any opinions anyone has.


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    Jo, although I haven't direct experience with the Picasso, I think you are on the right track. I use my C5 HDi for everything ... carting band gear, building materials, general touring. The fab thing being that a Citroen masters the supreme touring machine thing as well as the utilitarian functions. I'd recommend going for one, as to which model... up to others to suggest.
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    Worth checking when the 120kw diesel was introduced, came in Peugeots in 2011, not sure when it came in Citroens
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    Quote Originally Posted by geedee View Post
    Worth checking when the 120kw diesel was introduced, came in Peugeots in 2011, not sure when it came in Citroens
    Thanks, Something to look at.
    Edit... looked at it…good point. Makes the difference between slow and really slow!!!



    The other french car on the short list that seems to fit the brief is the 2011 Peugeot 308 Sportium.

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    120 kw with 7 seats filled. Barely adequate Imo.

    My Estima with 7 seven seats filled was certainly just adequate and that had 170Kw (petrol)V6.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    120 kw with 7 seats filled. Barely adequate Imo.

    My Estima with 7 seven seats filled was certainly just adequate and that had 170Kw (petrol)V6.
    I would be looking at torque figures as well, not just power figures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by COL View Post
    I would be looking at torque figures as well, not just power figures.
    The IMZFE in the 2002 and later Estima develops 283+ Nm

    I don't know which engines were fitted to the Picasso, but I'd be surprised if the diesel produces any more torque.

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    Not realy keen on a van or people mover.
    Fuel use is an issue too.
    I looked st your suggestion rob, but nothing came close for age/km/price

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    Yes, fuel usage is not a particularly brilliant on the V6. Around 9l/ 100km.

    In Victoria, for a private purchase you can pick up 2001- 2004 with less than 100k on the clock MCR30 (2WD V6) or MCR40 (4WD V6) for $9 -12k.

    NSW pricing must be higher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    Yes, fuel usage is not a particularly brilliant on the V6. Around 9l/ 100km.

    In Victoria, for a private purchase you can pick up 2001- 2004 with less than 100k on the clock MCR30 (2WD V6) or MCR40 (4WD V6) for $9 -12k.

    NSW pricing must be higher.
    Ha, 9l per 100 .
    I got 12+ l per 100 in the megane.
    Give me a 2ton v6 and I'll push the upper limit of how much fuel can be wasted.

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    What do you expect to pay for a decent Picasso in NSW ?
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    Not sure...$12k???

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    Jo, the original Grand Picasso sold here came mostly as the DW10B engine (RHR in VIN) and AM6 auto, which is entirely adequate for what the car is intended to be. It has a particle filter, so you need to check when the Eolys was replaced or will need changing as it can be an expensive surprise. There are also some petrol with AL4 cars out there, which do the job, but are not the first choice of most buyers. Later versions had the more powerful engine and EGS, not a regular auto. What you get to choose from depends on the budget.

    The earlier versions with the DW10B and AM6 are generally OK and had mostly trim issues, dumb stuff like glovebox lids, tailgate handles etc., but age and wear will create more to check. The AM6 gearbox is common to other makes and is a much better proposition than the AL4, but can still develop some faults, often as a hot slip on the 2>3 upshift. The trim level varied and the cars with leather seats were generally the better equipped ones. Rear air suspension is uncommon, OK if it stays working, but possibly a liability in an older car. The space in the back for the 6th and 7th passengers was not particularly generous and this aspect is better in the current model.

    p.s. The handbrake is electric like the one used in a C5 and expensive to repair if busted. The gears are not selected by a long selector cable, but by a small lever on the steering cowl that operates an electric selection device at the gearbox end. Both of these features are generally reliable, but they need to work properly on any car you look at or there will be extra expense involved.
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    The 120 kW diesel with the 6 speed auto is not slow. It gets the C5 along at a very good pace.
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    Recently sold our 2011 308 Sportium, performance never a problem but 3rd row is only for kids so will hardly ever be lacking for power. Far more room in a Picasso. Relatively harsh ride in 308 but great on the open road. How close are the nearest dealers? Citroen ones are few and far between, but some Peugeot dealers will service Cits-but ask first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    The 120 kW diesel with the 6 speed auto is not slow. It gets the C5 along at a very good pace.
    We are talking about a Picasso ?

    It will be close to a 2 tonne vehicle fully laden. At 60 kw per tonne. It may have the pace, but certainly not too much overtaking performance in reserve.

    Ever the 2.4 Targos with 115 kw are a slug to drive when fully laden.

    If you seldom carry more than 3 people it may be acceptable, but for Jo it may maybe to much of step down.
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    Grand Picasso and C5 are near enough to the same kerb weight, and can be got with the same engine and transmission. Overtaking is easy when you have 340 Nm under the bonnet at low rpm. Even when loaded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    The IMZFE in the 2002 and later Estima develops 283+ Nm

    I don't know which engines were fitted to the Picasso, but I'd be surprised if the diesel produces any more torque.

    edit: corrected the figure.
    340Nm, but I'm pretty sure the 100kW version also produced 320Nm.
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    That Delica really is quite ugly. It's 4WD, 'experienced' and you could even find a trapped backpacker or grey nomad in the back. Functional, no doubt, but stylish and attractive ... No. The Picasso has it all over it for style and I would expect safety and economy. Finding regular mechanical bits and someone to fit them might be easier despite the grey import status.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvr View Post
    Excellent vehicle for their intended purpose = off road.

    On road they would amongst the worst ride quality I've ever experienced. On a par with a series 2 Landrover.

    Not for a person who values kidney longevity.
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    A reputable seller and forum sponsor

    For sale 2011 Megane manual

    I'll also have my 308 hdi 7 seat wagon for sale soon to. So if your interested in either let me know.
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    I'm very wary of "specs" and I have: (a) bought cars that I only knew a little about but drove them as the main test, and (b) tried cars that looked good (even great) *on paper* but were not worthwhile in the flesh.

    EXAMPLE: The Citroen GS is rather a slug around town, and not too inspiring. A road trip, especially at speed (and around some bends), shows how impressive it can be. My first one was a 1015 Convertisseur Once out of town, they are virtually a different species.

    Most Citroens need to be tested on a decent bit of highway... and some bad roads.
    The diesels are much better as city cars, as the torque and gearbox change points really can shine, making them both city/touring cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by robmac View Post
    A reputable seller and forum sponsor

    For sale 2011 Megane manual
    I'll also have my 308 hdi 7 seat wagon for sale soon to. So if your interested in either let me know.
    Funny that, I actually emailed the seller before I became carless, but got turned off by the high milage and didn't give it another thought.

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    If you are looking for performance the 308 Sportium handles like a go cart and as it came with 17 inch wheels will corner with some style, little roll and leave most others in its wake. take one for a good drive.
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