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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    ROFL indeed!! Might be nice for the right $3999 of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnW
    ROFL indeed!! Might be nice for the right $3999 of course.

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    I'd like to see a photo of one worth that much!
    Cheers...George.

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    Well Guys,

    I was talking to someone at the Cit-in who just paid $20,000 for a CX C-matic (yes I have got the number of zeros in that price tag correct).

    Going by the description of the car, I could almost say it was a good buy ... Insane ?? I'd have to see the car with my own eyes to believe it's as good as it's said to be before I could decide.

    Hey $20,000 is C3 money for what could basically be described as a *new* CX C-matic.

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    Shane wrote

    soemone at the Cit-in who just paid $20,000 for a CX C-matic
    Is it the car from Gosford? In that case I think that's quite a reasonable price for what would possibly be the best C-Matic in the world.


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    yeah that is C3 money or even Xsara money for that matter.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by danielsydney
    yeah that is C3 money or even Xsara money for that matter.....
    Yep, makes the decision enormously easy doesn't it. Drive the Xsara (or is it a corolla, no hang on it's a Hyundi isn't it ??) and the C3. Then the CX and you'll quickly decide the CX is the bargain of the century and immediatly buy it There is simply no comparision, it's the equivelant for it's time of the top of the line C5 V6

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Yep, makes the decision enormously easy doesn't it. Drive the Xsara (or is it a corolla, no hang on it's a Hyundi isn't it ??) and the C3. Then the CX and you'll quickly decide the CX is the bargain of the century and immediatly buy it There is simply no comparision, it's the equivelant for it's time of the top of the line C5 V6

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    Hi Shane, I think the C-matic CXs are a great car for many reasons.
    My last Citroen was a DS21 pallas with the semi auto hydraulic gears. When I owned that I was told by many people that it was not at all desired by anyone. The manuals were the preferred model, especially the d Special and the electronique injected DS 23.
    I used my DS 21 as a daily work car...and it was superb.
    And today they are both rare and sought after.
    Now I have the C-matic CX 2400...also not very desired . People actually dump these in tips for very little reason. I hear people saying that the 5 speed manuals are better etc. And that the turbo models are even better still.
    MAYBE...in 15 years from now ..the humble C-matic CX will be much more rare than today...and once again a desired car.
    I don't care what anyone says...or thinks...
    In my humble opinion the CX is one of the nicest and most desirable cars ever built.
    It's also possible to repair the car when necessary. Sometimes it's almost impossible to get at that nut or screw, but there's usually a way to do it.
    There's nothing else on the road that has anything like the appeal of a CX....to my warped mind anyway...nothing comes close.
    Cheers...George.
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    Now I have the C-matic CX 2400...also not very desired . People actually dump these in tips for very little reason. I hear people saying that the 5 speed manuals are better etc. And that the turbo models are even better still.
    Hi George,

    it depends, 5spd cars are definatly desirable, they are much quiter at speed and more fuel efficient as the gearing is better. They are also an incredibly strong box that I've never heard of anyone destroying. You would think the ideal CX would be a 5spder wouldn't you ??

    Well, the gearbox isn't a nice gearbox in use, the engine mounts aren't great and do transmit a lot of engine movement back into the car that can be felt --especially as the engine mounts age. The clutch isn't great to use, sure there's nothing specifically wrong with it, it's just not hugely nice in use. The gearboxs aren't nice to use, once again, there's nothing wrong with them, there just not the best gearbox you'll come across. Surprisingly the C-matic has a much nicer change than most manuals which is quite surprising considering it is identical to a 4spd manual.

    The C-matic and turbo models can't really be compared. If we ever catch up at some time I'll let you take the turbo for a spin and you'll see what I mean. It's much firmer in the suspension, with the power & torque it has you simply couldn't have it as soft of the C-matic or it would spend most of it's life either on it's door handles, or with the rear suspension pinned to the bump stops under acceleration. It's a brilliant high speed cruiser with incredibly effortless overtaking power and is only spinning at about 2200rpm in top gear at 100km/h --so is quite a bit quieter (with huge amounts of pulling power for hills even at those low revs). The motors have more torque than a rover V8, but at 1000rpm less revs. It's a quite surprisingly different to drive after the early CX's.

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    Personally, I've owned a 4 speed, 5 speed and a C-matic & I'd take the c-matic every time.
    No CX is exactly economical around town but providing mine was kept at optimum tune and run on PULP I could manage 10 - 11.5 L/100klms around town & below 9 L/100klms on the highway cycle. Even the guy who bought it reckoned he averaged 9/100 when he drove it 1200 klms home down the Coast road. On a round trip to Brisbane I got about 8.6L/100klms. The best I ever had on a 5 speed manual was 10.5.
    The performance is something else; the moaning sound of an auto particularly older types was made in part due to the torque converter grunting as it tried to begin to turn, but fuel consumption was affected more by all the bands & silly rot inside trying to get rolling also. A c-matic will give that familiar groan as it takes off & this loading up at the start is a factor in the consumption differential between it & a manual on constant stop/start driving, but as you gain experience in driving them, you learn how to "launch" a c-matic off an intersection or from a dead start. It doesn't always work out at an intersection because it depends on conditions and circumstances, but effectively the best way to describe it is like priming a pump so it squirts immediately you give it some throttle rather than having a moan (as it pumps up pressure) first. I feel most of the fuel consumption problems and some performance problems on c-matics (and CXs for that matter) were caused by incorrect locating of breather and vacuum associated pipes when the anti-pollution gear was removed.
    On mine's last run, I was following #1 son in his slightly modded series one BX16V who in turn hooked up behind a guy he knew in a Toyta MR2 who is very pro Jap anti-European in his thinking. As we approached a divided road, the MR2 driver, determined to display the superiority of the Jap hi-tech stuff gave it a bootful and my fellow expecting it sat right on him (much to the dismay of the MR2 driver) but the thing that blew them both away was that I was a couple of cars back when they started but almost sitting in their boots when we reached the end of a fairly short divided road section. The performance is better than brilliant as many a Ford & Holden driver has discovered but unfortunately isn't spectacular until it gets over about 100KPH and as a result very few ever get a chance to see just how impressive it really is. They will gobble up steep ranges like they don't exist and towing power is incredible, having used mine as a "farm truck" to do jobs many a time to the amazement of neighbours.
    I doubt that anyone will ever build a car to match them.

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    Hi Guys,

    the problem we have with CX's is the oddity of the models that were imported.

    The first one were top of the range CX2200 pallas's. Now which model do you think they imported ?? The models with manual steering in place of the daravi fully powered system. As a result the car had a huge steering wheel, felt extremely 'understeery' to drive. It had a 4turns lock 2 lock steering that was very heavy. Basically the car was (well still is) awful to drive, I two of 'em stashed up my backyard and drove one of them for 12months.

    The next model was the CX C-matic, an immediate oddity with it's very strange power steering and awkward gearbox (that's neither a good manual or a good automatic --but very nice for what it is) that made the car drive like a slug. I have road reports from both UK and Australian magazines from the time. In the UK the CX2400 4spd did the 0-100km/h sprint in 10.6seconds, the aussie model burdened with it's air pump and pollution gear managed about 0-100 in about 16seconds, and used quite a bit of fuel in comparison. With a lot of rip-off 'specialists' these cars soon got themselves a name for costing a 'fortune' to run as there C-matics aged. In truth the C-matic are incredibaly strong and rarely give problems. Lots were torn out and proper 4spd (or 5spd if your imported them from overseas) manuals were fitted in there place.

    We got about 50 CX2400 5spds imported for a very short term in the early '80s. For some reason I can't understand they once again imported an odd model, ie: top of the range but the left out the fuel injection. --They bought in CX2400 5spd carby models when even 10years previously the DS had been sold with injection ...

    I think they bought in barely any CX2500 GTi 5spds (probably the 'ultimate CX ever imported). For some reason barely a handful were bought in. Before they finally imported CX2500 ie's. CX2500 injected automatics, so they only ever imported about 100 5spd models in all the years they were sold (any wonder there so sought after).

    The last year they sold CX's here ('85) there was finally a CX that would have killed all the local cars for sale effortlessly, yep the CX2500 GTi Turbo. I wonder why they never imported this 'ultimate' model. It would have lifted the Citroen image in Australia enormously as all the motor magazines would have had a car that could have effortlessly kicked the arse of most of the local V8 and 6cylinders cars and still handle well and be extremely comfortable to ride in. Why didn't they import the turbo. If only the lift the image of the Citroen badge in Australia ??

    weird descisions right through, any wonder the CX is viewed as a real oddball car out here.

    So what do we have left ??

    Well most of the CX 2200 manual steered car were used as parts cars 15years ago. Infact I know of none still on the roads.

    CX2400 C-matics, those that haven't been wrecked or rusted away are usually very tired due to how little they are worth. We without doubt we have the majority of the C-matic CX's left world wide (as they were the only model sold here for years).

    The CX2400 5spds, the only one I know of is the one a melbourne club member recently sold --not worth much at all.

    CX2500 ie -There is still some of these automatics around. Prices for good ones seem to have around the $6000 mark.

    CX2500 GTi 5spders. Well these still command a premium. The only one I know of is for sale for $10,000.

    there you go, all you never wanted to know about CX's

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Hi Guys,

    the problem we have with CX's is the oddity of the models that were imported.

    The CX2400 5spds, the only one I know of is the one a melbourne club member recently sold --not worth much at all.

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    Shane L.
    Hi Shane, just so you know...the one that sold recently ...the seller was asking $3200.00 for it. I don't know if he got that much though. It had a pretty nice paint job, was light blue, and had leather seats, and was registered.
    It began life as a C-matic, and was changed over to a Manual according to the guy who sold it, he knew because he did the job with help from some of his mad keen Citroen mates.
    I don't think I'd ever do that.
    Cheers....George.

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    Hi George,

    I was thinking Kirks aussie sold CX2400 GT 5spd (I think they were called GT's, but not GTi ??). It was in very nice condition and was quite hard for him to sell.

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    If this is the Tascott (Gosford NSW car ) it is indeed worth that amount of money.(which is still a hell of a lot ),even if its the worlds best CX --which I believe the Gosford car is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by routley43
    If this is the Tascott (Gosford NSW car ) it is indeed worth that amount of money.(which is still a hell of a lot ),even if its the worlds best CX --which I believe the Gosford car is.

    Has anyone got a good photo of this "best CX in the world" from Gosford? If so please post it so we can all see how a good one should look.
    Cheers...George 1/8th.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DoubleChevron
    Hi George,

    I was thinking Kirks aussie sold CX2400 GT 5spd (I think they were called GT's, but not GTi ??). It was in very nice condition and was quite hard for him to sell.

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    Hi Shane, yesterday I went in to Citro motors to pick up new brake hoses for the CX...and there was a CX 2200 that had just had a RWC done on it...and the sale notice was on it's side...the asking price was $1900.00.
    The paint was completely shot...but other than that it looked ok. I asked Mel if it was one of the manual steering ones and he said "no, there were never many of those because they soon realised that they needed power steering when the lady drivers couldnt get out of their parking spots because they could not turn the steering wheels".
    Typical I guess. They just don't get it ...how it's possible to roll forward very slowly , and backward as well while turning a steering wheel when still in a stationary position. I guess they never will get it.
    Anyway, unlike one of my workmates, I love power steering.
    This guy at work actually REMOVED his power steering and air conditioning because they use HORSEPOWER!!
    I don't know..these young blokes...I would never do that.
    I guess I'm a "creature comfort" creature.
    That's probably why I LOVE my Citroen.
    Cheers...George.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George 1/8th
    Hi Shane, yesterday I went in to Citro motors to pick up new brake hoses for the CX...and there was a CX 2200 that had just had a RWC done on it...and the sale notice was on it's side...the asking price was $1900.00.
    The paint was completely shot...but other than that it looked ok. I asked Mel if it was one of the manual steering ones and he said "no, there were never many of those because they soon realised that they needed power steering when the lady drivers couldnt get out of their parking spots because they could not turn the steering wheels".
    Typical I guess. They just don't get it ...how it's possible to roll forward very slowly , and backward as well while turning a steering wheel when still in a stationary position. I guess they never will get it.
    Anyway, unlike one of my workmates, I love power steering.
    This guy at work actually REMOVED his power steering and air conditioning because they use HORSEPOWER!!
    I don't know..these young blokes...I would never do that.
    I guess I'm a "creature comfort" creature.
    That's probably why I LOVE my Citroen.
    Cheers...George.
    Hmm,

    yeah a very ambitious price for an old CX2200. Most of them have a dead 2nd gear synchro so I'd be looking closely. However Carey motors always seems to ask enormously more than the market value for there vehicles, and they still seem to sell --so good luck to them I guess

    I find it hard to believe they could have gotten a CX2200 through a RWC for that sort of $$$ unless it's a 'friend' that did the RWC. Think about it, by the time your replaced the bottom ball joints (they were weak on the 2200's), top ball joint, steering knuckles and lower arm bushes etc... By the time they took into account there labour they'd have to be enormously above that figure.

    I guess they could have got lucky and found a car that's had all these items replaced in the last 10years

    I guess ANY car with a RWC for $1900bucks is very cheap motoring.

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