C4 GP circa 2014 - caveats?
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    Default C4 GP circa 2014 - caveats?

    this is a cry for the panel's full knowledge;
    purchase could break me but I'm stupid enough to drive for days to bring home
    something unseen except in photos - a pig in a poke, if you will.
    please advise.
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    More info?
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    C4 hatchback, or Grand Picasso? Engine? Transmission?

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    Thanks for helping; GP as in Grand Picasso, sorry
    1997cc 100kw/270nm diesel,
    6sp Electronic Gearbox System (Sports Automatic Single Clutch)
    "Seduction" spec.
    ... what can I tell you?
    seems it's done minimal kms and ticks the fit-for-purpose box at least.
    (I've looked at a current-ish demo i cannot afford, and am afraid i am not being objective)
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    Excellent long distance motor and a superior 6 speed Aisin auto transmission. Find out about servicing; it should have used C2 grade low ash oil. Engine access in that body is tight.

    Too good to flog off early. Why?

    Brochure: http://mccarrollscitroen.com.au/down...o-brochure.pdf


    PS You *must* insure a glass roof. The replacement cost is eye watering.

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    Very Very Much appreciated food for thought ( no good deed going unpunished - pm sending) hail not likely but coconuts a worry ...

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    An afterthought. Make sure the pneumatic rear suspension is good.

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    Based on a photo of the boot it looks not to have Pneumatics (no controls).
    BTW, can't find out what a Seduction spec. is ... leather seats, black gloss trimmings, sat-nav, maybe?
    Piecing service history together over a couple of calls all seems ... okay - main Citroen dealer until August, @ 57k. km (now being almost 62.5 k. - and to be minor Citroen dealer henceforth).

    Vendor amongst other marques handles Benz and Fiat, so - doing the RWC anyway - undertook a Service.Paperwork copied to me shows;
    D/S Master Window Switch, 1 @ $400 and 0W-30 Synthetic Diesel Oil C3, 1 @ $90 ...
    and that is all, apart from Environmental Levy and what I assume is labour, @ $177.
    Their sticker says next @ 75,000.

    Should i worry about no-name C3 in an RHR engine for a couple of thousand kms, or have it out
    (maybe, in lieu of warranty claims, deduct price (capped) of an asap Citroen service)?
    gratefully yours again,
    Steven

    p.s. I'll be seeing Goodyear folk tomorrow (before the 2 days drive for trade-in) and will ask what their Assurance Duraplus says about the previous owner ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fnqvmuch View Post
    this is a cry for the panel's full knowledge;
    purchase could break me but I'm stupid enough to drive for days to bring home
    something unseen except in photos - a pig in a poke, if you will.
    please advise.
    steven
    Hi steven
    This will not help you with the car directly, but might still help
    I arranged to go to another state by train to buy and drive back a bus/camper. Looked at the pics, emailed the seller, got the money, arranged to get a permit, stayed over night at the sellers house to inspect and drive the vehicle.
    Very nice people but I still caught the train back home. Pictures do not capture the whole story even if they are genuine pictures, and the seller may not be seeing what is important to you.
    Good luck Jaahn

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    i take your point, thank you for sharing.
    In this case, i am taking my long suffering who can probably keep me grounded ... she remembers our last Citroen, not un-fondly, but with terrible clarity.
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    Interesting situation, here's by 2€ worth.

    Sounds like you are in FNQ and the car is interstate. Even Cairns to Brisbane is further than the entire length of Sweden, for example. And going to get it would probably be uneconomical.

    Dealers put cars on trailers and send them interstate all the time. Last 2 that I have dealt with reckon that they sell most of their cars that way. As if i would believe anything that a dealer says. At least from a dealer you will get some kind of warranty.

    Having said that, I got my C5 from Melbourne. I flew from Sydney to test drive it, and drove it back. I just would not buy a car for myself that I had not driven myself. Anything could be wrong with it, that may or may not show up in the photos. Why was it even for sale in the first place? You can bet that the dealer has nearly 100% markup on it.

    As for the service record, you can ignore it. Mine had (allegedly) been serviced by one of the best known indie French specialists in town. The first thing I did was get my own indie French specialist to service it. Oil was black. In his opinion, in 6 years the fuel filter had never been changed, likewise the air filter.

    I can't be sure about the oils, I would think that a few thousand kays on an oil that was near-spec would not do any long-term harm, but I am happy to be corrected.

    I have a similar drivetrain, it's wonderful. And having recently driven an XC90 with a family of 5 plus 2 extras, these people-mover type vehicles are a perfect solution.

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    Is this '2014' car the last of the old shape or the first of the new one (aka B78)? You'd have some different concerns depending on what it is. Although it would be a 2.0HDi DW10 family engine, it's presumably not the earlier RHR version. 0W30 would be the wrong oil grade for the RHR DW10B, but would be correct for the DW10C and DW10F BlueHDi versions.

    You might find out if it has the balance of a 3 or 6 year warranty from Citroen. The change to 6 years was around 2014 and varied from model to model. Having the balance of 6 years warranty may prove useful. If the window switch block was paid for, then maybe the 3 year factory warranty has just expired???

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    thanks David - last of the old model, and i assume the VIN citing '...RHB...' it is most likely an RHR engine.

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    RHB is DW10C, while RHR is DW10B. Similar, but not the same engine.

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    Ah! thanks, i thought it must have been mis-taken ... more research ...

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    Obtained all the original dealer/servicer can give which confirms it's the RHB, DW10CTED4 @ 112kw (- therefore it will take the blue stuff?) EGS 6 Speed, B58, MY 2012-2013, etc., etc.
    Seems current advert was pulled out of red book.
    As to shipping, to expedite things and save wear & tear - my suggestion, due to it being a trade-in situation, that i could leave mine at some kind of depot for back-loading, was a non-starter, too dear, hard or novel ... this despite all dealers saying they send cars all over, all the time, nowadays ... i suspect it might be like the swing-tag saying "this is the last one in your size and someone's coming back for it so you better buy right now"
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    First sight and my better half loves -

    - the Rav.


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    ...
    Our faithful,reliable, honest, used-hard-and-put-away-wet, full-of-dog hair
    C4 GP circa 2014 - caveats?-1-7-.jpg'06 / 260,500 km Rav4 took us, stopping long enough outside Cairns Citroen to point out their current shape Picasso demo. Wednesday night found a lovely beach-front place in Bowen, Thursday slow to start so late arriving in Bundaberg
    Seller’s remorse being already a big factor, the presence of a '10 30k Rav was quite unhelpful in negotiations on Friday - however the trade proceeded and we fled the scene in a Citroen, getting a little lost almost immediately.
    Rockhampton - Townsville Sat’dy and home Sunday afternoon … could have done with a day or two off, obviously not to be ...
    Pity; i've never seen the whole coast looking so lush and fat, the usually dry and desolate bits and previously damaged bits included ... the sea and skies have been weird and the wind woke us, even here ... so most Qld-er's are being affected by this to some degree, i reckon.
    Did get to stop in a couple of new places (not that the old places didn't look good though) met some fine people ... kind of worrying that most of it was water logged already;
    C4 GP circa 2014 - caveats?-1-1-.jpg
    Saturday - in Proserpine disappointed (after looking forward to another couple of lattes and a savoury muffin) that they were closed … then twigged…(125km gustss as I write)
    C4 GP circa 2014 - caveats?-1-4-.jpgC4 GP circa 2014 - caveats?-1-2-.jpg
    I’ld been saying ‘it’s like a Tarago’, so when i found one unattended in Ayr
    (more early closures, a tv crew - and a spooky sundown before Townsville)

    C4 GP circa 2014 - caveats?-1-6-.jpg
    As to the drive; so, so much to learn, and i'm very glad it is a pretty basic spec., apart from lashings of cow ... still prefer the manual operation of things, a la Rav. It had less connectivity etc., but i think the radio was better out-put and pick-up wise.
    i’m informed it”s not' twitchy' like the Rav (i find Ms Picasso a bit ... flouncy) but thankfully it is growing on us, both.
    Noticeable fuel saving, less strenuous to pilot and i’m getting away with speeds previously denied me, even overtaking at will - which leads to asking - is it possible i experienced torque-steer at one point ?


    ps can i be told or directed on finding all about diagbox now?
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