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    Is there any interest in Gs's? Recent conversation with an owner on the phone described a rusty, rat eaten Gs with only 70 odd thousand on the clock. It was a C-matic. Owner hoped to converse with an enthusiast about the car as he feels he cannot commit to a restoration. May even allow it to go. Is stored near Bundaberg. PM me if you are interested.

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    The GS is a wonderful "mini me" Citroen ... (really, a great underrated car in its own right).

    Because the market values are still too low:

    a) You'd need to do any larger resto as a labour of love

    b) the 1015 Convertisseur is less desirable than a 1220 manual, although quite nice to drive.
    Did the GS Pallas come as a semi-auto? I thought they were all manual.

    Summary: "rusty" could be somewhat terminal.

    However, for a keen restorer if the car was free, might be a "project."
    You'd have to have a perve.
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    It is a 1220 according to the owner who purchased the car new in the UK in 1976. Rust sounds terminal as he described it as getting wet in the shipping container it resides in. I have not seen the car. He also claimed the headlights were fine and he thinks they are not the twin variety as in Aussie delivered Pallas.

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    GS Pallas C-matic
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    I'm looking for some headlights!!! what are the chances?

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    There you go.
    Did they import those versions to Oz?
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    A 1976 could be either a series 1 or 2 GS, but as a UK import it wouldn't have the 4 headlight kit that featured on Aus-spec series 2's. I imagine that knowing the time it had spent in the UK would be vital in estimating the likely rust.
    Forumnoreason, what are the headlights you're seeking, and are you after lens/ shells, or the whole unit?
    I ended up buying some new LHD lights from eBay, with the plan to fit my lenses which are a little stone-blown but not too bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by forumnoreason View Post
    I'm looking for some headlights!!! what are the chances?
    i have a spare the set if interested. The lenses are a bit stone damaged but the internals are pretty good

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    I was looking at ones on ebay but wondering if they point differently. I really only need a left lamp as the chroming is in bad shape, I'll pm you Peter to explain. Cheers !

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    Hi Guys,

    I'm a bit confused as to what you call series 1 and series 2 GS's.

    In the days when they were new, the series 2 were the GSA.

    The seats changed in 1975 with a narrower seat, and a wider console. The first cars that we got here like that was a shipment of G Specials that were meant for South Africa(???).

    The 1976 GS's were all manuals and the first of the Pallas model. They were expensive, and despite the brochure saying they were Grand Exportation models, they weren't'.

    My experience with UK delivered Citroens, used as daily transport over there, and imported into Australia, is don't touch them. The rust will be beyond repair.

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    I call series 1 the flying buttress tail-light ones, and series 2 the rectangular tail-lights. It 's a nomenclature that has hung around with some from pre-GSA days.

    In reality, there were so many changes over the GS years it is a pretty minor alteration to call a "series", but in the Australian market as you say it marked the move up-market to the sedan being marketed only in Pallas specification here. In our market it also marked some ADR-required changes to the brake circuit, and as far as I know it also co-incided with the horizontal crash barriers being fitted to the doors (anyone know any different?). As far as I know, we didn't get any "series 2" Pallas sold here until 1977, but it doesn't mean an imported 1976 wouldn't be either type of tail-light (my white 1976 private import wagon is the rectangular tail-light type.). Given that there was no change in chassis numbering until the GSA, it could be argued that the GSA really was the series 2, but it is a relatively redundant short-hand when the GSA was never marketed in Australia as anything other than a european-delivery scheme.

    I had heard that the diverted shipment of Specials were intended for the Asian market (Malaysia??). I don't understand why they would be being shipped to South Africa when GS's were being assembled there, but I could have timelines mixed up on this one.
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    Bruce you may be right about the G Specials, at the time they were being sold I was told they were for SA, the only person who would know now would be Ken Murden. I know they had no reversing lamps, and they had to bring harnesses in for compliance. They were the best GS of the lot. The engine was like a little turbine, but being a later 1015, had none of the engine problem of the original 1015 GS

    I may be confusing the private import GS's that where often brought in that were South African. They had white reflectors on the tail lamps?

    I suppose when you look at the change in tail lamps, yes they probably are the series 2's.

    It was a great pity that we didn't get GSA's in Australia. They were an excellent car, and Citroen fixed a lot of the GS inadequacies. While I was at Maxim Motors Sydney, (about 1983) We ordered a a GSA panel Van. It was a white 1300 5 speed. It was ordered with pre equipment AC, but somehow came from the factory with AC already fitted. It was Left Hand drive, and we converted it at Maxims, with all factory parts. Citroen didn't build RHD vans at that time.

    Don't ask me now how we got it registered, but we did. Its' still in use today in Brisbane.

    The impact barriers started in 1976, and the diagonal split circuit brakes in 1977?

    The C Matic stoped around 1976? as there was to be a design rule in 1976 that required an automatic or semi automatic transmission to have a park position. This ADR was never implemented.

    While also at Maxims, we were called on to go to Sydney wharfs to oversee a shipment of GSA that were on a ship to NZ. The were in a refrigerated section of the ship, and that section had to have the refrigeration started so it could take on a beef shipment, and the cars moved to somewhere else on the vessel.

    It all went without a hitch, so I stood there the whole time and drooled :-))

    Best regards,

    Greg
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    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
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    My prehistoric recollection was that the first regular imports were the 1015's, manual and semi auto. Many beige ones.

    Soon after, they were all 1220's with the exception (1975?) of a shipment of G Specials with the 1015 motor...I think they were all, or mostly, beige.

    But quite a few private imports floated around in Oz which may confuse the issue a little.
    I have never seen the later ones with the (vaguely) hexagonal tail lights in Oz.
    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    South African assembled GSs have the white reflectors at the front under the bumper, with an extra red reflector glued over the top of the usual rear reflector as the easiest identifier, that's if you haven't picked that they used their own colour chart.

    Looking more closely, you'll find they have a South African brand of glass windows, chrome bumpers, different shaped seats covered in a different vinyl from the French, and different floor covering and headlining. Mine also has a narrower battery tray than what you find on local cars, but I've seen a later South African assembled one with the usual battery tray. Under the bonnet you'll also find they have their own range of chassis numbers, and in the case of mine an assembly plate from Peugeot & Citroen South Africa.

    The Specials were often beige, but I've also seen them in white, blue or orange.
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    Contact for the Australian Citroen GS GSA and Birotor Register http://australiancitroengsgsaandbiro...com/index.html

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    can you give me details please
    I am in Hervey Bay and would be interested
    my email is [email protected]
    phone no would be great
    thanks
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    If you want a fab, fun GS1220 (5 speed) I'm regretfully selling mine.
    See the list in my footer to understand why... just too many to park in the 'burbs.

    PM me for details, or see "For Sale."

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    Once upon a time:


    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    Hi

    I definitely have an interest in the GS.

    A C Matic would be great but I can't commit to a restoration.

    Is there a Group or Register for these cars?

    Regards

    alan

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    There is a partial Register at the website at the bottom of my signature here.
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    Contact for the Australian Citroen GS GSA and Birotor Register http://australiancitroengsgsaandbiro...com/index.html

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    Bruce H

    Thanks very much.

    Regards

    Alan

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    There is one free on cars for sale - save it someone

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