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    Hello Ladies and Germs,
    I have a VERY interesting one happening with my citroen 2009 c5 and im confused as all hell, so here is a low down maybe somebody knows where i could start
    After about a year of owning the car i started to get random beeps followd by messages on my dash ranging from "faulty handbrake" or "faulty dpf" or "low oil pressure" etc etc and followed by "faulty transmission" or sometimes that comes before the others and sometimes it locks up into 3rd gear or sometimes witches the engine off. Now i have lexia and have read the codes and the system shows these errors occured one after the other BUT i suspect its a central component intermitantly playing up due to the different natures of the errors and they follow one another which is impossible unless a central component does this. I fixed this problem before by replacing the battery with a high end Varta battery thats rated at 750cca which 100cca higher then required and it didnt play up till around 8mths to a year latter. Now ive got it happening at random times in random orders. Im not sure where to start, anybody else experienced such issues?
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    Could be a fault with the fuse box which on early C5 X7s had an issue with the associated wiring harness being short. This threw up random errors. Citroen were replacing under warranty or recall - has yours been done? Google C5 x7 Fuse box and see if that sheds some light:
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    You could consider paying a dealer to completely reload the firmware if you can't find a physical fault.

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    Try this:

    C5 2.2 Hdi error codes and loss of power

    As per my earlier post, Fuse boxes on these early C5x7s were sometimes troublesome.

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    mines definately an early one, and i cannot find any reference to the fuse box being replaced in the books

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    Quote Originally Posted by seasink View Post
    You could consider paying a dealer to completely reload the firmware if you can't find a physical fault.
    reload firmware? hrm but do they corrupt themselves? or is it a case of dry solder etc? what sort of dollars should they charge? where is there a competent dealer in melbourne?

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    I had a car with inexplicable problems - a nonexistent engine limp mode fault that came back over and over. I changed all sorts of things before realising it was bunkum. I eventually got a dealer to reload the computer software. Problem solved.

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    Our C5 X7 had a fault under warranty that would light the whole dash like a christmas tree, bring on the Service light and put the auto trans into limp mode 3rd gear. We even managed to get it to the dealer with all the lights on once - the Service Manager was very impressed and suggested we leave the car with him. There was one error code that indicated that it was the engine fusebox causing the issue. Once this was replaced, no further issue.

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    It's the engine slave unit (fusebox in engine bay) that you should suspect. Not the BSI, which is the other 'fusebox' inside the car. The problem was to do with a supply relay that could become intermittent.

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    Hi Chris,

    Not sure if you are going to look for a second hand fuse box, or new, but i can order a new factory fuse box for about half the dealer price.

    Just need you vin # and I can give you an exact cost.

    Can also give you some places to try for a used box if you want as well?

    Best regards,

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    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
    We Had:
    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Hi Chris,

    Not sure if you are going to look for a second hand fuse box, or new, but i can order a new factory fuse box for about half the dealer price.

    Just need you vin # and I can give you an exact cost.

    Can also give you some places to try for a used box if you want as well?

    Best regards,

    Greg
    sweet ill get the vin tonight mate thanks so much Greg
    can you get other parts? my electric hand brake started playing up and i need the wiring going to my centre brake light and i need new inside door handles for the front seats as the coating has worn off and looks shite

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    Yes can get anything.............

    I think from memory, the door pull embellishers are around $70.00. Don't use armour all on them, the silicon destroys the soft touch.

    To get accurate prices, send me your vin# I only need the last 8 digits / numbers

    Best regards,

    Greg
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    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
    We Had:
    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg View Post
    Yes can get anything.............

    I think from memory, the door pull embellishers are around $70.00. Don't use armour all on them, the silicon destroys the soft touch.

    To get accurate prices, send me your vin# I only need the last 8 digits / numbers

    Best regards,

    Greg
    ill private message you then vin number mate, i think you in advance

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    I had some similar, but different probs with my 2005 2.2HDI.
    Mainly went into self-defence mode.
    (C5s are prone to fuse box issues ...had bad ones with the 2004).

    Got better .. I thought...with a new battery. But not 100%.

    I also thought is was a bad earth or a fuse box issue.
    Maybe it is.

    Here's an interesting thing.
    Over certain jerky uphill bumps the problem re-occurred (once).

    My solution?
    A jerky downhill bump.

    Fixed.
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    And now:

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    Quote Originally Posted by garyk View Post
    I had some similar, but different probs with my 2005 2.2HDI.
    Mainly went into self-defence mode.
    (C5s are prone to fuse box issues ...had bad ones with the 2004).

    Got better .. I thought...with a new battery. But not 100%.

    I also thought is was a bad earth or a fuse box issue.
    Maybe it is.

    Here's an interesting thing.
    Over certain jerky uphill bumps the problem re-occurred (once).

    My solution?
    A jerky downhill bump.

    Fixed.
    I ordered a fuse box off Greg and fingers crossed i wont be looking at my big hammer just kidding, i love my c5 BTW always loved the cx2500........how are they to live with?

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    [QUOTE=Greg;1504166]Yes can get anything.............

    I think from memory, the door pull embellishers are around $70.00. Don't use armour all on them, the silicon destroys the soft touch.

    To get accurate prices, send me your vin# I only need the last 8 digits / numbers

    I'm interested in a set of front doorpull embellishers. I assume you mean the silver strip that runs along the doorpulls on C5s with the grey/beige interiors. The last 8 digits of the Vin are AAL550373. Interested in total cost shipped to me in Margaret River WA. Is there any way new ones can be protected other than not touching them at all? Are they easy/difficult to remove and replace?

    Allen

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    Interested in the door pull embellishes. My 2010 C5's last 8 digits of the Vin are AAL550373. Are they easy to remove and replace, assuming they are available?

    Allen

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    sincerely hoping he won't mind me doing this - you could have found it anyway - posted some weeks back
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmw535guy View Post
    I ordered a fuse box off Greg and fingers crossed i wont be looking at my big hammer just kidding, i love my c5 BTW always loved the cx2500........how are they to live with?
    I'm having a blossoming love affair with the GTi25. It needed spheres and an a muffler, and still has a few more fix-ups to be done. Mine is an auto, with pretty good bodywork. I do reckon the 2500 cars are generally better than the early series. And I also think the CX is a true classic that hopefully will gather respect momentum. The DS is wonderful, but more old school, a CX is a *modern* vehicle. Recommended.


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    Many R4s (incl. fourgonnette), R5LS, R16TS.


    GS 1015, 1220, sedans and wagons.
    CX 2200, 2400.
    ID 1966, 1969, DS21H, DSpecial, DS23 Pallas.
    C5 2002, 2004 petrol and diesel.
    D Special 1974
    Xantia Activa 1998 (look out Gulargambone)
    GS 5 speed sedan (what a tale)
    1986 2CV6
    CX25GTi 1985 auto
    CX2500 IE Pallas 1985 auto
    DS23EFI 1975 Pallas

    And now:

    C5 2.2 HDI 2005 wagon
    DS23 1973 Pallas

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    Hi Guys,

    The soft touch is a problem for a lot of manufacturers, not just Citroen, though its disappointing that it deteriorates so badly. Our heat doesn't help. Silicon sprays are the worst offender, as are rings (especially big ones). Keys etc in the centre console are a problem as well.

    Your best bet is as you suggested, don't touch them.

    The light coloured interior is the worst offender, as the dark grey interior doesn't have the soft feel around the inner parts of the console, it's a metallic black gloss finish, and the embellishers on the door trims are the same.

    Best regards,

    Greg
    We Have:
    C5 HDI Exclusive 2.7 '09, Pluriel '09, Berlingo 1.6 HDI '10, C4 VTS coupe. C4 Picasso '08, 2CV Charleston '84 Grey, 2CV, '55 Australian delivered. 15/6 H '55, SM '74 BVM, DS21 EFI BVH, DS21 '67 BVH.
    We Had:
    1930C6F, '73 GS1220 wagon X 2, '75 G special, '75 GS panel van, '74 GS Birotor, '82 GSA panel van with factory AC, '85 CX25GTI BVM, 2002 C5 V6, 2006, C5 S2 HDI, '86 BX19GT, '72 DS21 BVM, '55 15/6H, '54 Lt 15,'73 Dyane, '82 Visa Super X, with Chrono Mecs & factory AC, 1972 SM.

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    Hi, I read this thread with great interest. I have a problem with my Citroen C5 (2007). About a year ago, I had an error message, Presence of water in diesel fuel filter, and I had the filter cleaned at a Citroen garage (Alpine Affairs). Lately, every now and then I’ve been having trouble starting the car and I always get the Water in diesel fuel filter message. The car would start after a few attempts, but twice I have heard a hi-pitch sound under the hood that stayed on after I had taken the key out of ignition. I had to wait for 15-30 minutes before the sound disappeared and the car started then.
    My OBDII reader shows a few faulty codes. The last three are said to be“pending faults”.
    P1352 – Ignition coil A primary circuit malfunction
    P0562 – System voltage low
    P1169 – Fuel rail sensor in-range high failure
    P1197 – Key off voltage low
    Are these related to Presence of water in diesel fuel filter? I have no clue.
    A number of times immediately after I got the car started, two other error messages appeared on the dashboard, Speed control system faulty and Particle filter faulty. The car would have no power going uphill. Sometimes the problem would go away by itself and sometimes I had to remove the error codes with the OBDII scanner. The car would drive well afterwards.
    Another weird thing. I have found the sun roof opening itself in the middle of a drive a few times.
    Does anyone have any ideas what the real problem might be? This is my first diesel and I have no idea where to start. Any help would be really appreciated!
    KD

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    You don't have an ignition coil in a diesel. P1352 is a warning that the preheating relay is not functioning.

    More significantly, P0562 says is that the battery is low. P1197 is a fault in the injection engine computer - low voltage is listed as a possibility (sous-tension).

    Clear the faults and see what returns - those above probably will. Most importantly, check the battery - they don't last more than 3 or 4 years. The C5 diesel uses an EFB battery, if you need a new one. There is a state of charge sensor mounted on it. Crazy behaviour may have a poor battery behind it as the computer malfunctions.
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    There are a number of threads on AF where modern cars have been behaving erratically and having the battery checked and replaced has led to miraculous solutions. First easy try.

    If you have RACV membership they will usually come and test it for free and check the charging system too. Then again most battery shops will do the same.
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    Thanks so much for your input!
    I have cleared the faults many times. Initially it was 3 faults. P0562 came up only recently. Now, just as you said, the same 4 codes always came back together.
    I have looked into my service records. Alpine Affairs put in a new battery in July 2014. In September last year, the car was in the shop for a soft engine mount and the "speed control" and "particle filter" faults. The tax invoice has a note to check into "water in diesel" code. Not sure if they checked the status of the battery then.
    So far, the speed control and particle filter problems seem to have more or less gone. I remember one time I had to accelerate real hard and I saw in the rear view mirror black smoke being blown out. I don't do much free way driving to clean the system, so I thought it must have been some real bad build up of fuel waste in the particle filter. Anyway, that hard acceleration seemed to have cleared the stuff out and the car was driving really well, until this "water in diesel filter" fault appeared on the dash. Each time I had to turn the key 10-15 times, or perhaps even more, before the car would start. That couldn't be good for the battery, I guess. If you find any of my "analysis" rubbish thought, please tell me. I'd really appreciate it.

    I'll get the battery checked first thing as advised. - KD

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    I'll call RACV tomorrow as advised. Hopefully, I end up with a miraculous solution as well.
    Incidentally, would a bad battery cause the computer to open the sun roof by itself? First time it happened, I thought my 12-year old boy must have touched the switch. He denied it and then it happened to me again without him in the car.
    Anyway, first things first... Thanks so much for your input. -- KD

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